renegadecow Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Remember those teaser photos of a WE sort-of-MP7 dubbed "MP8" some time ago? Turns out it's not going to be airsoft but an actual firearm. I know this is technically not airsoft news per se, but it confirms what was an alleged airsoft gun as not being an airsoft gun after all. So scratch that WE MP7 off your lists. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/03/14/produce-22-hk-mp7-replica/ Link to post Share on other sites
RWJP Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 According to the news sources, WE are looking at producing both GBB an .22lr... That's what the Popular Airsoft Article says anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
Im going space Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 renegade your link is broken? Link to post Share on other sites
faramon Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/03/14/produce-22-hk-mp7-replica Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 I wonder if it's me being optimistic or naive, but this could be good for airsoft, if they pump their firearms (gained) knowledge back into their airsoft products. I'm instantly thinking of materials. It also mentions VFC being involved with this, so can one assume a possible UMAREX presence. I didn't know VFC made the UMAREX .22 rifles, does this means the VFC HK416 is the closest replica around? Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Or, on the other hand, it could be a complete disaster and just explode after the first shot lol. Link to post Share on other sites
elchinator Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 but it confirms what was an alleged airsoft gun as not being an airsoft gun after all. So scratch that WE MP7 off your lists. You got that wrong. The WE MP7/MP8 Airsoft is real product.(that is my hand holding the gun). The article is just talking about some sort of "cooperation" between WE and a RS company, presumably VFC. Which to me seems more than unlikely. In general it is possible that WE builds a .22lr gun. There are not that many differences in material and design between an airsoft GGBR and .22lr. German Sports Guns build MP5s in .22lr pretty much that way. But WE doesn't have the same sort of access to the most important .22 market - the US. Link to post Share on other sites
ruvon Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 This just made my head hurt....We making real firearms...somewhere ADDAQ is rolling in his internet grave.... "I'm going to buy a 22 lr from the worlds worst airsofting manufacturer...it's a good idea, what could go wrong???" Said no one ever..... Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Even I myself as a WE fan have the question this... As per the comment above... I would not trust this to fire live rounds Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 The legal implications of this would force them to up their game dramatically. As much as I question WE products, I can't see them bringing out something dangerous. Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Oh no this is too much the cheapest knock off airsoft manufacturer makes real steel weapons ? H&K Solicitors would have a field day ! Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 The legal implications of this would force them to up their game dramatically. As much as I question WE products, I can't see them bringing out something dangerous. I admire your optimism, but you guys have got this all back to front. WE are NOT making a .22LR version of their MP8 - they are licensing their design to a RS builder of guns - and therefore this is pretty unlikely to make any difference to their regular guns at least in the immediate future. It also mentions VFC being involved with this, so can one assume a possible UMAREX presence. I didn't know VFC made the UMAREX .22 rifles, does this means the VFC HK416 is the closest replica around? VFC don't make the .22LR replicas for Umarex. Sorry about the essay, but this is sorta required explanation. Provided there is demand for civilian ownership of the weapon, .22LR copies are not that uncommon. Normally guns are replicated in .22LR for two types of reason - financial, and legal. The financial ones are simple. Normally, the weapon being cloned is very expensive (HK MP5s, for example, are currently work anywhere between $15-25,000; a GSG MP5 is around the $400 mark). Sometimes the weapon shoots expensive or even obsolete ammunition (a 30rd magazine of Federal 9mm - if you could get any at the moment, which you can't - would be around $10, whereas a 30rd magazine of Federal.22LR would be about $1.50) too. A crossover between financial and legal would be if the weapon is no longer legal to manufacture or import (like, for example, the MP5) which creates a finite supply and raises the price even further. Purely legal reasons are often centred around features of the weapon that are no longer legal (e.g. folding stocks, select-fire capability, or certain designs deemed easily modifiable to fully automatic capability) - or maybe the ammunition is not sold to civilians (e.g., 9mm Parabellum, which feeds the normal MP5, was not for sale to civilians in Italy, whereas .22LR usually is). There have been .22LR copies of HK's weapons - particularly the MP5 - made before. The MP5 hits all of the above reasons - in its select-fire form it cannot be legally sold to the civilian market any more, and HK discontinued sales of even semi-automatic only versions years ago so the finite supply of weapons is extremely expensive, especially because the gun was never cheap from HK in the first place, and It fires expensive 9mm ammunition. There is a market, however, for people that want a gun that looks like an MP5 (even if it has nothing else in common with it) - such people are in non-gun-owning-countries called 'airsofters' and in others form part of the market for .22LR replicas. Umarex (who hold HK's trademark rights, and therefore govern who gets to make guns that look like HK's guns but aren't made by HK) handle this - which is why Umarex license GermanSportGuns (GSG's) .22LR replicas of the MP5. You need some certification to make guns, which you can bet everything you own WE doesn't have - another reason they wouldn't be the ones making the putative MP8-.22. However, Umarex won't be licensing anyone to make a copy of the MP7 any time soon. The problem with the MP7 is that it is very small (compared to, say, a regular MP5) which means it falls foul of a lot of rules in the American market (which is the primary market for these sort of guns, unsurprisingly) and elsewhere concerning the minimum length of rifles. Pistols, obviously, are not subject to such onerous minimum size requirements, but pistols are not allowed other features (foregrips and folding/extendable stocks - hence the HK SP89 modification of the MP5K) that the MP7 has. If Umarex won't license it, no-one's making a .22LR MP7 anytime soon. It's only because the MP8 is allegedly not an MP7 rip-off that this is even close to coming off the ground, and you can bet there'll be some pretty serious modifications needed to make this legal as an actual firearm. In fact, those modifications will make it quite unlike the airsoft gun. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted March 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 It's only because the MP8 is allegedly not an MP7 rip-off that this is even close to coming off the ground, and you can bet there'll be some pretty serious modifications needed to make this legal as an actual firearm. In fact, those modifications will make it quite unlike the airsoft gun. Thanks. Now you've put an image of a 16" barreled MP7(8) floating in my head. That's gonna haunt me forever. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Yep. That or they'll have to remove the foregrip and the folding stock, SP89 style. I've never understood that, personally. I can understand making pistols harder to get and more regulated than rifles - pistols are concealable. But once you have a license for a pistol, and a gun licensed as a pistol, why should it be illegal to make it (functionally) bigger with a folding stock? It's bizarre. Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 I love how WE is somehow "the worst" airsoft manufacturer in the world, according to some here. I'd love to hear who these people think are the best manufacturer..... Link to post Share on other sites
elchinator Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 They would probably tell you "Tokyo Marui". And then I want to see them shooting a Marui in .22lr... Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 And then I want to see them shooting a Marui in .22lr... People do it all the time. Of course most of them are sensible enough to butcher a clone instead of an actual Tokyo Marui. Link to post Share on other sites
ruvon Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 I love how WE is somehow "the worst" airsoft manufacturer in the world, according to some here. I'd love to hear who these people think are the best manufacturer..... With all due respect Mr Eisenhorn, first and foremost, yes, TM would more than likely come out on my top of list, but to tie this all in with Mr. Elchinator's post, I don't mix airsofting with real steel, mainly due to the fact that you really can't. The fact that alot of American airsofters lost their muffins when the We open bolt gas systems got banned due to the fact that could be " made into realsteel" kind of proves a point. KWA would run a close second to Marui....and I wouldn't purchase a real steel from any airsofting company...it's not like a Reeses cup. Frankly I could see We farming out the .22 to another company (remember the hk3 We deal) and then coming back with, "So then how can you make this cheaper for larger market share" The piece hit's the shelves, and young airsofters trying to segue into real steel start loosing hands eye's and such from this abortion... /rant Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 With all due respect Mr Eisenhorn, first and foremost, yes, TM would more than likely come out on my top of list, but to tie this all in with Mr. Elchinator's post, I don't mix airsofting with real steel, mainly due to the fact that you really can't. The fact that alot of American airsofters lost their muffins when the We open bolt gas systems got banned due to the fact that could be " made into realsteel" kind of proves a point. KWA would run a close second to Marui....and I wouldn't purchase a real steel from any airsofting company...it's not like a Reeses cup. Frankly I could see We farming out the .22 to another company (remember the hk3 We deal) and then coming back with, "So then how can you make this cheaper for larger market share" The piece hit's the shelves, and young airsofters trying to segue into real steel start loosing hands eye's and such from this abortion... /rant Your rant is misguided for a couple of reasons. First up, I never mentioned the real steel aspect of this discussion, I'm in complete agreement with you, firing real rifles and airsoft are two different things. I don't believe a company's focus on one sport should restrict it from expanding into another however. The point I was referring to, was the statement regarding WE's pedigree (or lack of), and I was curious how people would justify it. Second point, looking at your response, TM is the best, which is hilarious as i) they make completely different products (AEG vs GBB), and ii) it's hardly as if TM are free from criticism. The other nonsensical aspect of your rant is the fact that, according to you, this lack of pedigree stems from the fact that the US government has ban their products because they're too realistic...so, let me get this straight, WE are the worst airsoft company in the world, because their replica rifle products are too realistic???? Not poor quality, bad customer service, lack of innovation....their products are too real. Sorry, I find it hard to take your point seriously. And drawing a conclusion from your point, if your stance was valid, an airsoft company whose products were "too realistic", IMHO, there's no one I would rather trust to make the transition from airsoft to real steel. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Hmmm, so WE are going to give out the designs of the MP7-Abortion to another company so they can slam so real workings in and make a semi automatic .22LR? This is how I read it, and seeing as it is the design they are offering and not the airsoft grade materials what is the issue? Just means WE gets to make more money and the RS world gets a MP7 that looks just enough of an abortion that they don't get sued by H&K, let them I say. Oh and as we all know in this day and age TM still 'am bestest' duh . /sarcasm. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
FMJ. Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Bring on the MP7 in .22lr! My GSG5 is awesome and I would love this. I really want a .22lr G36 but this will fill that gap right now. As for the length problem they can just do what they did with the GSG5. Whack a big fake suppressor over a longer barrel. The real weapon is about 415mm with a 180mm barrel. In the Uk it would have to be 600mm with a 300mm barrel. So whack a 190mm fake suppressor on it and jobs a good'un. I think this would cover most other countries who buy .22rf too. Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Would rather they did a ,22 Knights PDW or G36 Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 There is a G36 body kit available for the Ruger 10/22 available from Midway UK. http://www.midwayuk.com/epages/Midway_UK.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/Midway_UK/Products/567408&ff_pos=106&ff_origPos=106&ff_simi=96.19&ff_TrackGUID=5145CB36-C558-7735-97F9-1414141B19AC That + a Ruger would probably end up half the price.... Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Yep. Just as... VFC don't make the .22LR replicas for Umarex. ... VFC won't be making .22LR replicas for anyone else, either. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Seems almost like a BS story, is there any solid information to back this up ? Link to post Share on other sites
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