evansy Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 It appears that Pyramydair now has the UHC mags in-stock. http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/Ye...IV/SDMUG172.jpg Anyone with a TK brand VP70 care to show us a picture of the TK mag for comparison? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is a TK mag, look closely at the wrighting on the side Huzzah! http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/Ye...KIV/VP70001.jpg http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/Ye...KIV/VP70002.jpg Talk about fun, this gun is one of the most entertaining GBBs I've ever owned. Slide is plastic, Lower is HW plastic, Outer barrel is plastic, internals are metal, pretty much everything thats plastic on the TK is plastic on this gun. This does appear to be a Tanio Koba Licensed gun. Right side of the slide: Design & Produced by Tanio Koba & UHC Made In Taiwan Left side of the slide: MOD VP ' 70 9 MMx19 "This soft air gun is not made by HK, but the duplicate to extract the attractiveness of VP-70 Grip: VP70M (H&K markings are present but they have been removed) It claims that its made for green, but I'd suspect that the use of propane in this gun will result in slidetoface symdrome. Barrel is rifled, and there is an adjustable hopup located ontop of the outer barrel. Stock, it over hops on .20s, .23s are good out to 85-90 feet, then go everywhere. I suspect that on .25s accuracy out past 100ft will be better. Will give a more detailed report later on tonight. But from what I've seen so far this is an awsome little..or not so little handgun! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The trades are almost a 100% copy of the TK, Left side of the UHC slide: MOD VP ' 70 9 MMx19 "This soft air gun is not made by HK, but the duplicate to extract the attractiveness of VP-70 Left side of the TK slide: MOD VP ' 70 9 MMx19 Warning: Refer to read instruction manual. Followed by the TK logo Right side of the UHC slide: Design & Produced by Tanio Koba & UHC Made In Taiwan Right side of the TK slide: Design & Produced by Tanio Koba/Japan. From the looks of things they've just removed the japan from the mould and then added their UHC mark Grips: Same on both guns Ejection port on TK gun: 03402 the TK logo on its side followed by "TK" and another logo. As for the Twist barrels I have one in my TM 1911 and I cant fualt it but it does 300ish on propane which I'm lead to believe is the ideal power output for twist barrels. In my VP70 however its a little hit and miss due to the low fps of 134a and major cooldown on burst. Is the hop set the same as the TK one? via a grub screw ontop of the barrel meaning you have to take the slide off to set it? Link to post Share on other sites
Yeager Posted May 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 That is a TK mag, look closely at the wrighting on the side The trades are almost a 100% copy of the TK, Left side of the UHC slide: MOD VP ' 70 9 MMx19 "This soft air gun is not made by HK, but the duplicate to extract the attractiveness of VP-70 Left side of the TK slide: MOD VP ' 70 9 MMx19 Warning: Refer to read instruction manual. Followed by the TK logo Right side of the UHC slide: Design & Produced by Tanio Koba & UHC Made In Taiwan Right side of the TK slide: Design & Produced by Tanio Koba/Japan. From the looks of things they've just removed the japan from the mould and then added their UHC mark Grips: Same on both guns Ejection port on TK gun: 03402 the TK logo on its side followed by "TK" and another logo. As for the Twist barrels I have one in my TM 1911 and I cant fualt it but it does 300ish on propane which I'm lead to believe is the ideal power output for twist barrels. In my VP70 however its a little hit and miss due to the low fps of 134a and major cooldown on burst. Is the hop set the same as the TK one? via a grub screw ontop of the barrel meaning you have to take the slide off to set it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Correct.. Link to post Share on other sites
evansy Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Correct.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Make sure you dont turn it all the way off and try to fire then, the grub screw will bite into the slide. I cant belive how close these are to the TK version, I'm deff going to get one when there availble in the UK. Link to post Share on other sites
shinjinMC Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 damn I had hoped for a TM style hop Link to post Share on other sites
1st_shooter Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 keith if your reading this, you must get these in your shop! Praying to the rsov.com, God. Link to post Share on other sites
menatarms Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 The mag looks slightly different than KOBA's .. Link to post Share on other sites
AliceHKfan Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 possibly plastic instead of metal Link to post Share on other sites
menatarms Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 It appears that Pyramydair now has the UHC mags in-stock. Anyone with a TK brand VP70 care to show us a picture of the TK mag for comparison? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> On second thought .. the mags look fairly similar (if the clone made out of metal -- then they are almost identical) -- can't really tell but there might be a revere/line running up to the last taper towards the top of the mag on the original KOBA version that may or may not be there on the clone mag. Link to post Share on other sites
menatarms Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Damn -- they charge the same price for a UHC mag as does KOBA! I hope someone comes out with a CO2 powered mag .. Link to post Share on other sites
snowman Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 TK magazine : Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
Rapier Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I hope someone comes out with a CO2 powered mag .. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why? So you can blow the slide off your gun and into your face? It's an all plastic gun, remember? Link to post Share on other sites
RSP1 Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Why? So you can blow the slide off your gun and into your face? It's an all plastic gun, remember? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But, and I might as well give this away since I don't think I'll be buying it... The Shooters Design kits are still in stock at DEN Trinity. Link to post Share on other sites
menatarms Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Why? So you can blow the slide off your gun and into your face? It's an all plastic gun, remember? Not mine .. Link to post Share on other sites
Ranger Stubbs Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Gentlemen, I highly doubt you could blow the slide off into your face at the moment with this gun, even on green gas. CO2 would be too much though, which is why most of the CO2 guns are NBB's or have completely enclosed slides. So, why would it be hard to blow the slide off? Look at the front of the frame around the front sight. Through another poster's picture, it's pretty beefy up there, unlike a Beretta or Glocks front end. The slide wraps completely around the gun, vs. just having a 1/8 inch tab of plastic that stops the slide from coming too far back. There also appears to be a thicker aluminum insert surrounding the piston assembly, unlike the thin pot metal on most companies plastic slides. It doesn't look like the back half of the slide will crack and fly off either. I can't guarantee it, but it looks to be bulit well enough to take green, and gun companies won't recommend green gas if they think it won't work. Some idiot will try top or red gas sooner or later, that's where we'll hear a complaint. We'll see. Link to post Share on other sites
shinjinMC Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 green works just fine on a stock vp70, although sometimes the hammer doesnt grab the sear properly, resulting in the gun chambering a bb but not firing when the trigger is pulled; which requires recocking the thing I put in a stronger recoil spring, when I put in a metal slide, which seems to help with that Link to post Share on other sites
menatarms Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 That's why Tanio Koba sells an upgrade valve for running "Taiwanese" gas. Link to post Share on other sites
menatarms Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Not mine .. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is in case people don't get what's the deal here with a picture of a VP slide with inserts for trades .. this is the after-market CNC metal slide (plastic slides don't have removable inserts). Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 When and where will you post your review, Yeager? Link to post Share on other sites
Yeager Posted May 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Honestly, after seeing it, using it, and comparing it to the TK reviews out there I don't think I need to do a review on it anymore. Basically, its the same as the Tanio Koba gun save for the extra UHC trademarks. Infact, here read this.. http://www.renegaderecon.com/article_details.php?id=11 Another design improvement Kobayashi is working on is improved gas blowback system for cold weather, which exists especially in European countries. Having seen the Taiwanese made gas guns that are popular in Europe and USA Kobayashi feels sorry for overseas hobbyists that have to use these products. In his analysis both the quality and gun performance in cold weather are poor. Foreign hobbyists in mind, Kobayashi is planning to design system that would use less gas and thus less vulnerable to cold weather. Kobayashi is now working with French airsoft distribution company Cybergun™ (ex-3 Pylonnes) to provide them new design that would allow Cybergun™ to move into manufacturing of airsoft guns. At the same time, Kobayashi is mysteriously speaking about route to provide European hobbyists with cheaper priced products that have higher quality. He is interested in this concept, because Japanese products are too high priced in Europe. Further to his aim, Kobayashi now wants to teach Taiwanese factories how to manufacture better quality gas blowback guns, so that users in Europe can have more reasonable products than ever before. Kobayashi brings example of KSC’s Glock series that are made in Taiwan for KSC. In his opinion even Taiwanese manufacturers can make great product, if quality control is enough Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 UHC has never made a metal anyting, ever. Don't expect this one to have a metal slide. Still though, looks pretty good. Hopefully it'll be better than the TK was. Also, glad to see I'm not the only one who still says "oh snap!" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I doubt it'll be better than the TK gun. If you read the words instead of just looking at the pictures you'd see it say it was designed by TK and even has the twist barrel. It's a clone of the TK VP70. Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Honestly, after seeing it, using it, and comparing it to the TK reviews out there I don't think I need to do a review on it anymore. Basically, its the same as the Tanio Koba gun save for the extra UHC trademarks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Eggselant, thank you. If there's little chance of you doing a review, you wouldn't mind if some one else to do one, say me for instance? I know there are a lot of reviews out there for the Koba, but none on Arnies, and I enjoy writing reviews anyway. Of course I don't own one yet, and I'd still want to have it a while before reviewing it, but I figured it would be polite to ask. Link to post Share on other sites
AliceHKfan Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 you know you could just trot over to JustPistols Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Yeah, but I like to write. Plus the more reviews on the net, the easier it is to make a comparative list, or something. Link to post Share on other sites
lineman66 Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 can it really be a clone if Kobayashi directed the production of this pistol which was his own design? Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Tbh, the only review I'll be interested in is one written by someone who owns both. Link to post Share on other sites
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