BigAl Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 ROFL. Link to post Share on other sites
Frakk2k Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Actually, the MP7 was designed to both penetrate armor, and have great stopping power. The ol. bigger cal the better isnt actually the best for most. What determines stopping power is the ability to create cavity in the flesh, and to crush the inside. (Ouch) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stopping_power According to HK anyways, the MP7 is a combined lovechild of a MP5 and M16 (Oh, and yeah, im a HK fan, so don't listen to me. Also the Norwegian Army bought them to replace the old MP5's.) Link to post Share on other sites
Misfit Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Actually, the MP7 was designed to both penetrate armor, and have great stopping power. The ol. bigger cal the better isnt actually the best for most. What determines stopping power is the ability to create cavity in the flesh, and to crush the inside. (Ouch) Please watch the ballistics discussion mate, it's against the rules. Link to post Share on other sites
Frakk2k Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 I have only read some selected articles on the web, I will scan the discussion on wiki, makes up for interesting reading Richard Machowicz on Futureweapons likes the MP7 at least. Have anyone got some picture refrence of SAS with MP7? Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 They do use the MP7 for two reasons: 1) It's better than the P90 (slightly) 2) The SAS are H&K sluts Link to post Share on other sites
T3CH Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 That why they've all got diemaco's then? Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 That why they've all got diemaco's then? No, That's cos STANAG mags are everywhere and the MoD has a budget the size of a small walnut that's been split in half. Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Good on the OP for not being reined in by the codswallop of his team leader who seems to not know all that much about SAS gear. For future purchases as has been said a normal M4/M16 should suffice and a fancy SFW outer barrel to complete the look. Off-topic - In CQB I don't think it much matters what stopping power these new armour defeating rounds have individually. When you have a 50 round magazine, a high cyclic rate and the enemy is about 10 meters away..... fill him full of holes and he'll go down Link to post Share on other sites
sandstorm Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I seem to recall that at the time before ArmaLite was bullied to sell their patents to Colt, they had two quiet and profitable buyers with 3-letter names... IRA and SAS. Some SAS history book I have (Gallagher, I think) says SAS used Armalites when 'visiting' Indonesian territory on Claret operations since AR's weren't British and could thus be more easily denied. Has anyone got a decent listing of SAS/SBS shotguns? Link to post Share on other sites
Sharamik Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 There's also another good reason apart from the stopping power issue they probably don't use P90's. A piercing bullet like the P90 uses is a liability in hostage situations as it can go through walls or through bad guys and into nearby good guys. That's why it's preferable to use the 9mm MP5. Link to post Share on other sites
bladerunner Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Has anyone got a decent listing of SAS/SBS shotguns? from the same book as before Franchi Spas 12 Franchi Spas 15 Remington M870 Link to post Share on other sites
Doughguy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Off-topic - In CQB I don't think it much matters what stopping power these new armour defeating rounds have individually. When you have a 50 round magazine, a high cyclic rate and the enemy is about 10 meters away..... fill him full of holes and he'll go down nice... instead of getting the badguy down with one or 2 shots, youd empty the whole mag, and the reload again? oops bad guy coming round the corner.. and what gun you mentioned uses 50 rd. mags?? pp-19 maybe, but afaik the geezer dont use russian weapons, oh wait right... "they use whatever suits them".... Link to post Share on other sites
The General Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 P90 uses 50 round mags. Link to post Share on other sites
Doughguy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 agh.. point taken... *brain´s fried after 9 hrs of work... and thats on a friday* anyway.. still the same case.. Link to post Share on other sites
Vercingetorix Posted January 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Wouldn't .45 be the best, or .40 S&W then? They drop a person in a shot or two and there is more or less no chance of it going through the person, as it transfers almost all its kinetic energy on impact, amirite?> Or is it because of the worse recoil, making follow up shots and the double tap less accurate, etc? Just wondering.... Link to post Share on other sites
bladerunner Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 i think its got more to do with 9mm is easier to get hold of in the uk Link to post Share on other sites
Misfit Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I asked you guys to stop with the ballistics discussion. Thread closed. Link to post Share on other sites
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