kingdong Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 awsome , took there time though Link to post Share on other sites
elchinator Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Why didn't i make mine non-functional... because it's illegal And the applause goes to Hermann Göring, Generalfeldmarschall and Reichsjägermeister, for instating this ban, which is kept alive by (usually anti-fascist) anti-gun-nuts... Anyway, let's hope that Element keeps up the offer to remove the critical parts on request. Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Too bad I sold mine, now I can't make a direct comparison... Well, I sold it at a profit, so I guess it was worth it Looks roughly OK. Lamp and mount looks wrong, but I can live with that. I'd prefer a more realistic replica of the real one, but it's better than nothing. I'll probably get it just to have something that's kinda LLM-looking on my G36. Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteHawksan Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I love it, it's close enough AND if it works, then I'll have roughly an LLM, if I wanted soemthing that looked adn worked exactly like a real LLM01, I'd get a real LLM01 Link to post Share on other sites
Hartmann Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 What is the difference between the German one and the UK Version? Because, I see no obvious ones... Link to post Share on other sites
ChinToka Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Start looking on some pictures, a rough google picture search will do the job If you don't see the differences, then go see a ophthalmologist :-D Link to post Share on other sites
Bane Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Doesn't make any difference for us here in Germany, does it? We're not supposed to have one, unless it has it's electrical parts ripped out and is filled with glue... *sigh* Clarify that one for me? Either way i want it! i just hope the light is as bright if not brighter than my element M3X! Link to post Share on other sites
Hartmann Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Start looking on some pictures, a rough google picture search will do the job If you don't see the differences, then go see a ophthalmologist :-D Well, a very helpful reply... I think you cannot name the differences either. To me the Element version looks very authentic. It will do the job. Link to post Share on other sites
elchinator Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Clarify that one for me? In Germany it is forbidden to mount any kind of light or laser on a gun. Except for law enforcement and military of course. Airsofts are considered "unrestricted weapons", so that ban applies there too. The law goes back all the way to the mid-30s. Hermann Göring found it inappropriate for a hunter to "blind" the prey. It was considered a poacherers technique. And even though there are several good reasons to have a light or even a laser on a hunting or sporting rifle, it was never taken back. The main argument is that you could "intimidate" someone by blinding him with the gun-mounted light. As if pointig your gun at someone isn't intimidating (and illegal) enough... Anyway, on the difference between german and british LLM01 - I can't find anything about that even on the Rheinmetall pages or in the manual. http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/index.php?lang=3&fid=2174 http://www.altrus.com.sg/Files/DF408570FVP_EN_Description%20and%20Operation_LLM%2001_F.pdf Does anyone care to explain? Link to post Share on other sites
Hartmann Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Anyway, on the difference between german and british LLM01 - I can't find anything about that even on the Rheinmetall pages or in the manual. http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/index.php?lang=3&fid=2174 http://www.altrus.com.sg/Files/DF408570FVP_EN_Description%20and%20Operation_LLM%2001_F.pdf Does anyone care to explain? Exactly the same what I found. Of course the friendly "experts" here will do explain it to us. Link to post Share on other sites
Apex Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Looks like the mount is swappable too, I hope they do one for the Mk23... Heres hoping. Link to post Share on other sites
ChinToka Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Technical differences i know of is the adjustable IR Illuminator. The casing ist different, the mounting system and pressure switch. The realy most obvious difference ist THE CASING and thats why you should see an eye specialist Link to post Share on other sites
elchinator Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 The realy most obvious difference ist THE CASING and thats why you should see an eye specialist Yes, sure, I'm already on it... In the mean time, do you happen to have a picture for us blind mice? Because all I can find - mind you, I'm using google with a HUGE font - is the German (or is it international ?) version. And they look exactly like the Element one. http://www.defensereview.com/stories/adt/CloseLLM01.jpg Link to post Share on other sites
ChinToka Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Yes, sure, I'm already on it... In the mean time, do you happen to have a picture for us blind mice? Because all I can find - mind you, I'm using google with a HUGE font - is the German (or is it international ?) version. You're rocking my day pally! Bundeswehr LLM01 (probably first run production, i've seen diffent versions close to those (prototypes?)) http://bigballs.clan.su/_ph/3/2/196337777.jpg LLM01 used w/ british and austrian troops http://www.project-x.org.uk/images/picsa80llmkit.jpg http://www.project-x.org.uk/images/picsa80llmkit.jpg http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/img/LLM01_04.jpg BTW, didn't need 1 minute to find those. Why's that? Because i'm awesome! Für Risiken und Nebenwirkungen essen Sie die Verpackungsbeilage oder schlagen Sie Ihren Arzt oder Apotheker Link to post Share on other sites
Hartmann Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Umm... just let the pictures speak for themselves... There is no doubt WHO needs eye surgery. (Click!) The fact is: beside another RIS mount the only difference is the LED bulp instead of the Halogen lamp which COULD be justified due to usability and a production issue when making replicas in far east. This sums it up: For a replica, this is a really good product just judged by its looks for airsofters and even reenactors. Good job, Element. Nothing more to say. Link to post Share on other sites
ChinToka Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Optical differnences: Bottom is thicker The back is not vertical shaped and has a extension on the right side by the plug Groove missing on the left side by the switch Thats all on the casing/body and should bite you in the nose everytime you look at it I never suggested eye surgery, just to check out your eyesight but if you won't be able to see it now, eye-surgery could really be an option^^ Link to post Share on other sites
elchinator Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I don't think my health insurance will cover it under those circumstances. Well honestly, from the "working end" I would never see the difference. So the Element comes close enough for my purpose. But your're right, once you know, what to look for (and see it from the right angle), it is different. But is this really a "UK only" version or just a V1.1 or something like that? Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Optical differnences: Truth be told, I never noticed the difference before. I guess the one I had was the Brit version. So yes, I hope Element makes a replica of the German model too. Link to post Share on other sites
ChinToka Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I've been working on a LLM for over two years, so i did some research about it And therefore is see such things in an instand. But realy, those differences are some eye-catchers^^ Link to post Share on other sites
kingdong Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 At the end of the day its Element thats making it. Dont forget that Element is one of the cheapest manufacturers out there. I think there making a pretty good effort here as this is just an example of what they can do. If it would be that much of a problem for a small minority of airsofters then why not buy a real one? (I know you guys in germany cant have working modules, which is a bit of a bummer for you guys.) I can see the differences and i am pretty 'anal' about accurate products but theres no other cheap working alternative that most airsofters that want an LLM would hope for. So even if its not that accurate when the final product is out, i`ll still buy one Link to post Share on other sites
random guy Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 definatley need one of these Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 A surplus shop near me has a real one for £550, think i'd rather have the Element! Link to post Share on other sites
helbi Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 very nice foto .... it photographed some handy photographer Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 Anyone heard anything about this yet? Link to post Share on other sites
ollie_ty Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 From what I remember, Element got hit pretty bad by the Earthquake/Tsunami. Link to post Share on other sites
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