Manxmadman Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Haven't seen anything anywhere else on the forums with this so forgive if its a double post, but I think this probably warrants a news post rather than being stuck in the Legal Issues: UK airsofters probably want to take a look at this potential development: http://www.airsoftodyssey.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/vcra-reboot-proposals.html?m=1 Basically these developments would ruin online only retailers and make it seriously difficult to purchase new rifles at all. Whilst none of this VCRA stuff applies in the Isle of Man, this would seriously hamper any of our guys over here who often buy in the UK. And in order to present the other side the following has been stated by the UKARA admin: Well here are some new facts from the horses mouth (UKARA admin): Quote Dear Members A slight misunderstanding apparently Frank has not actually put his proposals to the Home Office as such, that was just the impression I had mistakenly got from conversation with him. He has been asked for suggestions and is canvassing retailer members as Chairman to get an idea of whether his ideas are in line, with the majority view of other retail members before putting them to the Home Office. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Well Frank can go and *fruitcage* himself. Link to post Share on other sites
kaufmau Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Nail in the coffin for 2nd hand sales, that's not fun at all. What I can't understand is why this has come about? is it a ill gotten attempt to limit retailers? gain market share? Link to post Share on other sites
Manxmadman Posted November 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Its all obviously speculation at this point, nothing could come of it, or it all could. It seems the issue is with the regulation of 2nd hand sales and how they can make their way into the hands of people with no valid defence. That said I can't see how you would stop that, since no official body would be involved in under hand sales anyways. Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Boycott FireSupport. That's what I'm doing, and I'll be adding it to my signature. *fruitcage* them. *fruitcage* them completely. *Ubarflock*. Link to post Share on other sites
Leshy Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Boycott FireSupport. That's what I'm doing, and I'll be adding it to my signature. *fruitcage* them. *fruitcage* them completely. *Ubarflock*. Break them by Christmas!! Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Ideally, sooner. I'm spreading this on everywhere Airsoft related I can possibly find, both Facebook and any other forum. Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Why does this not surprise me? And why is it no surprise to see Fire-Support pushing this? If those idiots really think they can control a 'sport' like airsoft they are sorely mistaken. The restrictions on the sport must already be limiting new blood coming in, these proposals will simply kill it dead. The part about second hand sales is a joke, if the HO and ACPO are already suggesting that the VCRA is unenforceable, what do they think will change with putting muppets like FS in control will do? Link to post Share on other sites
Nickona Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 This just seems like a way from some RFD airsoft retailers to remove competition and raise prices Link to post Share on other sites
Leshy Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Looks like Airsoft International is on Damage control already, protecting its main gravy train! Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 This just seems like a way from some RFD airsoft retailers to remove competition and raise prices Seems like? I'd say that's precisely their intention. Also, someone on ZeroIn has started a petition, I've already signed: https://www.change.org/petitions/the-home-office-scrap-the-plans-to-change-the-vcra-2006-legislation-into-making-the-sale-of-them-into-the-same-category-at-air-weapons-and-fire-arms/suggested_petitions Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Boycott FireSupport. That's what I'm doing, and I'll be adding it to my signature. *fruitcage* them. *fruitcage* them completely. *Ubarflock*. Count me in! And anyone / everyone I game with!! Link to post Share on other sites
kelo 1 1 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 *fruitcage* *Ubarflock*! Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 *fruitcage* *Ubarflock*! Succinctly put Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Posted that to their page aswell. See what reply I get lol Seriously, what kind of *Ubar* does this. Link to post Share on other sites
Bada Bing Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 and I for one DO NOT welcome our new airsoft retailer overlords. First no GBBR's/SMG's on they're site and now this, they're more of a buzz kill than a case of the clap. Link to post Share on other sites
Algy Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 This is rather worrying development, to say the least. Prohibiting 2nd hand sales, forcing all retailers to apply for RFD status, prohibiting personal imports, and prohibiting internet sales means we all lose out as a community, whilst one or two businesses cash in. If there is any justice in this world this will never come to be, but it's truly worrying that there are individuals out there who are actively pursuing this future for the sport. Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 With any luck at all other major UK retailers will rise up against them and hopefully put them out of business. Bad move Frank. Link to post Share on other sites
abbadon101 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Before we all start repenting to the Virgin Mary and making suicide pacts maybe we should wait for some corroboration. Link to post Share on other sites
Multicam_Pegasus Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Maybe I should mention to my mate (A professional Cyber security and network penetration tester) to take their website down until sometime in January... 2916... I decided to check Arnies quickly because Yosser's airsoft blog was what pointed me toward the new "Reboot" being supported by Fire Support and creating a serious headache for us by ZeroOne Edit: Link http://www.airsoftodyssey.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/vcra-reboot-proposals.html?m=1http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airsoftodyssey.blogspot.co.uk%2F2013%2F11%2Fvcra-reboot-proposals.html%3Fm%3D1 Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 This is true but you know how we English love to blow small things out of proportion and fear monger Link to post Share on other sites
abbadon101 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 This is true but you know how we English love to blow small things out of proportion and fear monger How else does a rag like the daily fail stay in print From what i gather Yosser's blog took some very select parts of the information, you may find it actually reads quite differently when not redacted. Link to post Share on other sites
bladerunner168 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Before we all start repenting to the Virgin Mary and making suicide pacts maybe we should wait for some corroboration. This. If it does turn out that some folks are trying to start a Cartel, then we should do all that we can and within our power to voice/demonstrate our opposition. Talk of hacking their website isn't really doing our cause any good, is it? MASSIVE EDIT: If the email from Frank/FS is true, then they have loss my business forever, https://www.facebook.com/boycottFS Link to post Share on other sites
Algy Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Before we all start repenting to the Virgin Mary and making suicide pacts maybe we should wait for some corroboration. Probably a good idea, people seem to be going into full-on apocalypse mode (which is easy to do given how nutty legislation can be in this country). I'd certainly rather wait for confirmation that FS is leading the charge on this, than start boycotting them without knowing the full facts. Link to post Share on other sites
tinkle60 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Well here are some new facts from the horses mouth (UKARA admin): Dear Members A slight misunderstanding apparently Frank has not actually put his proposals to the Home Office as such, that was just the impression I had mistakenly got from conversation with him. He has been asked for suggestions and is canvassing retailer members as Chairman to get an idea of whether his ideas are in line, with the majority view of other retail members before putting them to the Home Office. Link to post Share on other sites
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