Mike_West Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 stupid double post. Link to post Share on other sites
Azubi Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 I lived in a Muslim country and I never had to pay a fine or a tax to live there. Link to post Share on other sites
Azubi Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 I also resent the Chancel repair liability that I may be expected to pay as a home owner within a boundary of a church. It is UK law that a parish with a church site before 1536 can demand I contribute to repair bills to the church. In recent years, people have been right royally bummed by this law, and there is nothing you can do about it. I never had to stump up cash to pay for the local mosque repairs when in a Muslim country. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 I also resent the Chancel repair liability that I may be expected to pay as a home owner within a boundary of a church. It is UK law that a parish with a church site before 1536 can demand I contribute to repair bills to the church. In recent years, people have been right royally bummed by this law, and there is nothing you can do about it. I never had to stump up cash to pay for the local mosque repairs when in a Muslim country. aye its a *fruitcage* joke. Tithe still exists - just the local authority takes your money in council tax then redistributes to mosques, churches etc Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 It bloody well shouldn't. Unless of course I'm allowed to claim tithe from the government to build and maintain a building in honour of my imaginary friend Dave. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted June 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Supposedly you can. So long as it has more than a certain amount of followers, and it is not set up to ridicule or make fun of another religion. Link to post Share on other sites
Desolation mkII Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I can only really echo what people have said here, all religion is bad religion. If you need to believe in an invisible sky god in order for your life to make sense this is NOT okay, and you should seek psychiatric help. Especially if your god has done any of the following: Had non-consensual sex with virgins Destroyed a city because he was afraid of a building that challenged his power. Killed a mans entire family, burned down his house and destroyed his crops and cattle to see if he would stay loyal. Destroyed countless cities on a whim, often in incalculably cruel and bizzare ways. Endorsed a group of peoples campaign of ethno-religious genocide against their neighbours the Philistines/Egyptians/any other *fruitcage*. Allowed his only son to be brutally tortured and murdered when he could have intervened at literally any point. Decided to murder everyone in the world because they had displeased him, bar one family. Killed 1/3 of his Angels and cast the remainder out of heaven for questioning his authority. Plans to murder everyone in the world a second time for following the anti-christ, who he could stop at literally any time. *** Because the way I see it, is god does not exist. But on the remote chance he does, then we need to unite and invade heaven as soon as possible. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Have you read the Preacher comics Desolation? If not, I think they would be right up your street. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Preacher is immense and I hope they don't *fruitcage* it up. I bet they'll cut out some of the 'moments' as I don't think they'll get away, with certain aspects of it. Not the religious side, but the violence. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Yeah. No chance the TV series will do the comic justice. They'll have to cut out so much stuff. Stuff that wouldn't even fly on HBO. One of my favourite comics so they had better do a decent job. I can't help but feel it will only be Preacher in name, somewhat like TWD. Link to post Share on other sites
airsoftmatthias Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 I can only really echo what people have said here, all religion is bad religion. If you need to believe in an invisible sky god in order for your life to make sense this is NOT okay, and you should seek psychiatric help. Especially if your god has done any of the following: Had non-consensual sex with virgins Destroyed a city because he was afraid of a building that challenged his power. Killed a mans entire family, burned down his house and destroyed his crops and cattle to see if he would stay loyal. Destroyed countless cities on a whim, often in incalculably cruel and bizzare ways. Endorsed a group of peoples campaign of ethno-religious genocide against their neighbours the Philistines/Egyptians/any other *fruitcage*. Allowed his only son to be brutally tortured and murdered when he could have intervened at literally any point. Decided to murder everyone in the world because they had displeased him, bar one family. Killed 1/3 of his Angels and cast the remainder out of heaven for questioning his authority. Plans to murder everyone in the world a second time for following the anti-christ, who he could stop at literally any time. *** Because the way I see it, is god does not exist. But on the remote chance he does, then we need to unite and invade heaven as soon as possible. Yikes, you clearly hate Christianity. I would like to point out that your worldview is still rather ignorant and bigoted. It is true that organized religion, in this case Christianity, has been used to justify many horrible atrocities, including genocide. However, you fail to account for the numerous humanitarian acts that have also occurred under that same religion, or religion in general. Many humanitarian organizations and deeds have occurred because of the moral beliefs held by religious groups such as Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, etc. Just because some sects of a religion commit atrocities does not mean the entire religious organization is at fault. If I were to follow your train of logic, I could make a similar, though extremely unfair, uneducated, and misguided, claim that atheists deserve psychiatric help. Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, and Pol Pot were all notable atheists who were responsible for the mass murder or genocide of millions. This is clearly a horrible line of logic. Those three individuals are not representative of the atheistic community as a whole and most atheists would condemn the actions of those three individuals. The same applies to religious individuals. Many Muslims condemn the actions of Islamic extremists, despite the Quran making some alarming statements regarding treatment of non-Muslim individuals. Almost all modern Christians would condemn the Crusades and other similar actions committed under the name of Christianity. Considering a large majority of the world's population is religious, it would be in the best interest of all humans to learn tolerance and patience. Both the religious and non-religious (technically, atheism as a philosophical worldview is a religion since it fulfills all the requirements needed to call a religion, a religion) should learn to respect each other's beliefs. Any individual or group who thinks of themselves as superior to others because of a philosophical belief runs into the danger of committing moral atrocities. Slavery and genocide are typically the extreme end results of such elitist thinking. Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 The above posts are two of the most brilliant things i have read on this subject. However none the less religion is a way to control people, would all of the humanitarian things have happend without religion? Probably but who knows. On the same point the Vatican and other religious organisations all have billions of dollars between them and pay tax on none of it. When that cash could be used to solve some of the worlds issues, if not at least improve. I mean until now the pope has lived in what is essentially a religious buckingham palace compelete with staff. I also dont see myself as an athiest, just an unneed label. More someone who doesnt believe in nonsense (both religious and non), magic or having my life planned out for me. I believe in science, education and just generally being a good person. On my phone, my spelling will suck. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Free will cancels out all and any notion, of your life being planned out. Things happen you make the choice, be it good or bad. Link to post Share on other sites
Azubi Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Yikes, you clearly hate Christianity. I would like to point out that your worldview is still rather ignorant and bigoted. It is true that organized religion, in this case Christianity, has been used to justify many horrible atrocities, including genocide. However, you fail to account for the numerous humanitarian acts that have also occurred under that same religion, or religion in general. Many humanitarian organizations and deeds have occurred because of the moral beliefs held by religious groups such as Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, etc. Just because some sects of a religion commit atrocities does not mean the entire religious organization is at fault. That list of things wasn't what the followers have done, but what was written in the bible as God having done. Or at least that is how I read it when he typed it. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Considering a large majority of the world's population is religious, it would be in the best interest of all humans to learn tolerance and patience. Both the religious and non-religious (technically, atheism as a philosophical worldview is a religion since it fulfills all the requirements needed to call a religion, a religion) should learn to respect each other's beliefs. Any individual or group who thinks of themselves as superior to others because of a philosophical belief runs into the danger of committing moral atrocities. Slavery and genocide are typically the extreme end results of such elitist thinking. This is hilariously wrong... have you ever used the phrase "militant atheist" by any chance?? Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Do people say militant Christian? Link to post Share on other sites
Baddbaz Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Just got rid of two bloody Jehovah's witnesses from a customers doorstep , told them I am not interested as I didn't see the accident !!! Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Do people say militant Christian? Yes. Militant Muslim: detonating suicide vest in a casbah Militant Christian: shooting abortion doctors Militant Atheist: A university professor saying silly things on twitter Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore1-6 Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Extremist views appear in all walks of life, regardless of religion, nationality or heritage. It is sadly human nature to impose ones will and beliefs on another - a combination of psychological effects can be experienced and a movement is started.Religion or the lack of religion is not going to go away, as it is ingrained in society. Link to post Share on other sites
airsoftmatthias Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 This is hilariously wrong... have you ever used the phrase "militant atheist" by any chance?? Would you mind clarifying which idea is "hilariously wrong"? I'm not clear on what part you are referring to. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Athiesm is not a religion in any meaningful sense... In 3 years of a philosophy degree I never heard once atheism being referred to as a religion. I've only ever heard it on the internet with little explanation offered. You can be religious and an atheist but atheism itself is not a religion... Link to post Share on other sites
AceOfSkulls Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Yes. Militant Muslim: detonating suicide vest in a casbah Militant Christian: shooting abortion doctors Militant Atheist: A university professor saying silly things on twitter Militant athiest, kidnapping, torturing, imprisoning and disapearing christians in the USSR. Athiest government (CCP) ordering soldiers to shoot tibetan monks trying to travel a route of pilgramage they have for thousands of years. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Militant athiest, kidnapping, torturing, imprisoning and disapearing christians in the USSR. A small group lablled themselves as such however much of killing was done in the name of the state rather then atheism itself. In any case the label nowadays is used to describe aggressive atheists on the internet. Its telling we have to look back to the 1930s and 1940s to find an actual militant atheist! Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Atheism can be seen as a religion. It has all the hallmarks of a religion. The belief in that there is no god or higher from of being, and that all religion is magic or fairy dust (ie non-sense). You believe there is no god. That is the belief system of an atheist. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Atheism can be seen as a religion. It has all the hallmarks of a religion. The belief in that there is no god or higher from of being, and that all religion is magic or fairy dust (ie non-sense). You believe there is no god. That is the belief system of an atheist. On that basis anyone conscious would be religious... which is nonsense! Religion is a belief system, a belief system is not a religion. edit: likewise, theism is not a religion. Theists are more likely to be religious, atheists are more likely to be irreligious. that's about it really. Link to post Share on other sites
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