DarkLite Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 WTF? That's only 2.5% more, not that much different, and we're nowhere near the lowest. Combine it with everything else here, you'll soon see this pattern emerging that we weren't actually meant to have any money for ourselves by the way things have been done. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> HK has a 13.4% tax. And cars here are sooooo *fruitcage* expensive it is insane. Like TWICE THE PRICE of UK. Link to post Share on other sites
-Drake- Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 i'd buy one just to butcher for a project Link to post Share on other sites
Apex Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Now I've switched to thinking about a TM M1A1 tweaked to look more like a 1928, with custom drum mag and used real-steel wood furniture (and a violin case of course). . . Carls been thinking of this for a long long time, the only way to get a drum mag is to gut a real steel one and convert it if it's possible. and a cheap ak......tempting.... Link to post Share on other sites
Kingcodez Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 OR get the Springer Version and Convert it. Link to post Share on other sites
rotoruaboy Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 NOOOOOO. Copyright laws only apply in it's own country, like US copyright laws can only interfere the sales of cloned products within US. That's why US can't tell Marui to stop producing replica with trademarks. US can't only pressure the Japanese government to step in. Same with China, if China doesn't want to comply to US copyright laws, US can't do anything except give them more pressure. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the truth is, most of the copyright regulations went international like 20 years ago. its true that the copyright laws in different countries are different as well, however this does not stop the original holder of the copyright to take legal actions against the copycat in that foreign country. however, in most cases, suing a copycat may not be so wise afterall,for instance few years back in china, microsoft sued a company making air conditioning units for using pirated copies of windows in the systems for their head office. the local chinese court sentenced in the favor of microsoft, however, because that company could not afford the compensations microsoft proposed, the court allowed the compensation to be reduced to 5% of the original proposal.thats what usually happened to copycats in a developing countries if the big giant of the industry wants to take actions. besides, TM did purchase licence for most the models they produce, for example they contacted FN in Belgium and bought the licence to produce an AEG replica of the P90, then FN sent them copies of blue prints and everything even couple of samples to help them get the size and scale right.Apparently TM is proud of it since this helps to build their product image. Similar thing happened to KSC,only ended differently, only after the first few batches of their Glocks were released into the market, they had trouble renewing their licence for producing further models, Glock revoked everything they offered in return. after that KSC kept going on producing the Glock GBBs though, only they did whip out the Glock logos on the handle of their GBBs. nowadays the big brand names keep running around to patent their products in different countries in the hope to avoid the trouble microsoft had years ago. Link to post Share on other sites
rotoruaboy Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Spoiler of the thread——rumored pics of the AK these pics have been floating around the net in some chinese airsoft forums for quite some time, don't get your hopes up just yet, they could be shopped or result of some maniac's DIY, anyway, shopped or not, I surely wish it could be real. on the lower reciever it clearly marked "Made In China" could it have been shopped? Link to post Share on other sites
rotoruaboy Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 WOW they even copied the packaging from TM Link to post Share on other sites
DCF Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Thanks for the images. It looks really nice. Link to post Share on other sites
bullzebub Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 it looks possible to be the real deal since it has some difference from TM thats hard to fake ... things like mould impression in the handgrip different "wood grain" texture(?) and pattern in the "wood" thinner handguard but ... i wouldnt bet my life on it... Link to post Share on other sites
jazzman Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 All the front mold points (from grip forward) are exactly the same as my TM AK47s... and my AK has that "Mould" impression on the hand grip too. Looks liek a fake if you ask me, looks too much like a TM. BTW I have a metal body so I cant compare the markings on that or anything Link to post Share on other sites
kronic Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Body is deffinatly plastic, it's glitter plastic grey. Thing that makes me think it's TM is the square mould mark on the bolt carrier. Link to post Share on other sites
doorkicker Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Being a copy of the TM, isn't it possible they used the parts for the mold? I saw the comparison pics of the UTG MP5 with the TM MP5, the only difference looked like the plastic used Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan74 Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 It could be real or not, but my utg mp5 didn't have the hop up tag on it, and didn't have that warning sticker. Link to post Share on other sites
hippiehater44 Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 any more news on this? Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan74 Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 I still say its fake, and I am almost 100% sure its fake. But if thats really utg, dont get mad at me when it comes out Link to post Share on other sites
dudemattbored Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 It could be real or not, but my utg mp5 didn't have the hop up tag on it, and didn't have that warning sticker. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> do the tm ones even have that sticker? Link to post Share on other sites
elrey Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Cazboab gave me a link to a pic of the AK, where the wood grain appeared to be more of a straight brown, not at all what it looks like in those pics. I'll see if I can find the link. Keep in mind, it could be fake as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan74 Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Marui AEGs have that sticker, but it is in Japanese. And if the wood looks different, they could have put lpeg foregrip, pistol grip, and stock on it or something. Link to post Share on other sites
SHOGUN_YAMATO Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Ok... what about this than ?? http://www.kocashop.com/list.asp?id=363 Any comments on that ?? Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan74 Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Anyone that can read that....what does it say? Doesn't look UTG to me...Leapers (utg, neonfire, everblast) uses the term "super spin" and it would say UTG on the box somewhere. Unless the writing says something about it being utg, then im wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
c00lio Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 any updates on wen da utg ak47 is comin out? dunno if i can wait much longa Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan74 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Unless it's gonna be a late suprise, I wouldn't say you're gonna be seeing it this side of christmas. They have previews of the mp5 springer, the sniper rifle, and the new shotty, and none for the ak. Link to post Share on other sites
staticzero Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Well the original Airsoft Atlanta Blog post (as seen in my original post) reported, "I would expect them to be online around, say, November? Maybe, just depends on transit times from China. I was told they would be here for the Christmas holidays." FWIW. Link to post Share on other sites
NateDogg Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Ok... what about this than ?? http://www.kocashop.com/list.asp?id=363 Any comments on that ?? I gotta say. That looks like a TM copy but it clearly says made in china and the finish is not as good. I believe someone is making a China copy of a TM. Link to post Share on other sites
c00lio Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 duno wat 2 think of dat kocashop model, all i kno is dat if the utg ak is as high quakity as the mp5 they have im gooing to get one and since its cheaper im 100 dollars closer to getting a wood kit! Link to post Share on other sites
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