Official Metal Gear Solid Discussion

[Lanesracra]

Well, Snake Eater's in the wilderness half the time, which is rather non-linear. A complex is kinda linear.

[Lithium Jack]

Obviously, but I find the bosses are a lot harder, the guards are a lot more on the ball, and the game's generally a lot more frustrating than MGS3. Even without the added CQC/Camouflage tricks, Snake Eater's on a far lower level than SoL

[phoenix360mute]

its because in snake eater you could hide, pretty much anywhere, in the big shell, there were only a few rooms that you could use to hide in, and confontation ment certain death pretty much, as the backup would get there in about 5 seconds, with shotguns and armour ect, whilst in snake eater, if a guard saw you, you would just pause, change some paint and some clothing, lie on the ground, get your trust .45, and blow his brains out whilst he walks towaards you

 

 

EDIT: what do you mean a lower level?? i think the game is unmeasurably better then SOL, mainly because it was more, "realistic", obviously not in plot LOL, but in terms of weapons, and charaacter abbilities (that does not mean the bosses. all MGS bosses are freaks)

[Onechance]

Was it me or were all the weapons in MGS1 based on TM weapons?

The Fa-mas, Socom, PSG1 and the Desert Eagle

[Lithium Jack]

EDIT: what do you mean a lower level?? i think the game is unmeasurably better then SOL, mainly because it was more, "realistic", obviously not in plot LOL, but in terms of weapons, and charaacter abbilities (that does not mean the bosses. all MGS bosses are freaks)

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Sorry dude, I meant lower level of difficulty. i.e even if Snake eater didn't have CQC and other tricks, it would still be a lot easier than Sons of Liberty.

 

All my love belongs to Snake Eater . It's unquestionably the better game of the 2.

 

Was it me or were all the weapons in MGS1 based on TM weapons?

The Fa-mas, Socom, PSG1 and the Desert Eagle

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Could this be because TM makes a wide variety of weapons? Would they be based on Classic Army weapons if they used M16/M4/G36/SLR variants?

[Lil Leprechaun]

Was it me or were all the weapons in MGS1 based on TM weapons?

The Fa-mas, Socom, PSG1 and the Desert Eagle

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I've always wondered, why the FAMAS. Out of all of the rifles out there why did they pick the FAMAS.

[Onechance]

I've always wondered, why the FAMAS. Out of all of the rifles out there why did they pick the FAMAS.

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Maybe snake was so quiet, Konami decided a creaky gun would give the enemy a even chance in finding him

[phoenix360mute]

lol, no, its beacuae it was the most futuristic bullbop rifle design at the time, much like the socom, and the PSG1

[BakaBox]

The in-game models were modelled after TM models, pretty much. Notice how Tokyo Marui is mentioned during the credits, at least in MGS2 and 3.

[Lithium Jack]

Or that the MGS3 1911 was based on a Sheriff Japan custom gun ?

[phoenix360mute]

mine too

[Lithium Jack]

 

Am I being a fanboy here, or did anyone else pick up on the fact that when Snake asks "where did you get a weapon like this" or similar, EVA replies "a Western Armoury"

 

[phoenix360mute]

huh, never thought of that before, and i have seen that cutscene about a thousand times to try and get the gun right LOL, i'm giving you a +1 for that one

[gazchap]

There's a Desert Eagle in MGS1?

 

Are we talking about the original game here, or The Twin Snakes?

 

I don't remember a Desert Eagle being in the original?

[Lithium Jack]

Meryl uses it She takes it from the armoury, so Snake is left with the Socom.

[Donut]

I found that MGS3 was indeed easier, beacuse of the many places to hide and much longer time for backup to arrive, not to mention CQC moves are a life saver.

 

I hated using the Famas in MGS1, because playing on gamecube there's no pressure sensitive buttons so you can't "aim" with the Famas before firing... kinda stupid

I was hoping Snake or Raiden could use the P90, considering how Solidus Snake could use it.

 

O I just remembered, I seem to be the only one who didn't figured out to move the controller sockets during the battle with pyscho mantis... it took so much ammo, time, and rolls...

 

Am I being a fanboy here, or did anyone else pick up on the fact that when Snake asks "where did you get a weapon like this" or similar, EVA replies "a Western Armoury"

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I too have seen that cut scene many many times (just to see the cut scene after that where Snake totally owns Ocelot and his men) and never caught on to that. Props to you

[Lithium Jack]

I found that MGS3 was indeed easier, beacuse of the many places to hide and much longer time for backup to arrive, not to mention CQC moves are a life saver.

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Hmm... I found that as I started to play the game on harder modes, CQC became less and less useful. The instant slam is wonderful, as is the choke, but apart from that, mk22 and spider camo is always the way to go

[phoenix360mute]

i could never live with the spider camo, i always use either moss, of snake camo (unless i am using the ultimate loadout of infinity+ sorrow camo+ stealth suit), moss get you 100% in most types of grass, and snake gets you about 75% (i think) absoulutly anywhere, even on like a guards face

[Donut]

I couldn't live with spider either, took too much stamina...

I usually use moss, snake, or tiger stripe.

Though on the mountain tops animal with desert paint was very very effective.

[Lithium Jack]

I tend to use the snake camo as much as possible, but there are some certain bits that just need the Spider Camo to do quickly:

 

Ponizovje Warehouse, the second time

Krasnogorje (or something) mountaintop, first and second bits.

Groznyj grad, second time

 

It makes the game a lot a lot easier, and combined with the Spirit camo choke -> stamina regained, it's easily the greatest tool for No Alert run throughs. 30+ seconds of invisibility for a calorie mate/a choked guard? Hell yeah... Bear in mind that if you have Animals camo, you don't even need stamina to take aim, etc.

 

I never tend to use the Moss camo though... it just never does it for me, maybe cause it craps up a little when you're not in grass, and 100% camo almost seems like a bit of a gimmick. I try to avoid laying down and crawling where possible, I'd rather have decent camo whilst running through any area, than have to change camo halfway through a sprint. I'd take Snake over it any time.

[Donut]

I couldn't get the camo from sorrow the first time... I decided to play through it as a blood bath the first time... it was taking way too long so I committed "suicide."

Though now I think about it it was probably better to bloodbath it thourgh the second time considering you get some unlockable items like the patriot...

 

lol I just remembered this, dunno if you guy's seen this before, but it's so true...

 

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=159

[Lithium Jack]

Is it an insult to The Boss and Snake that I can only use the Patriot to kill food, and the 1911 to get magazines?

 

2 super-omg weapons ruined by the "no kill" thing

[phoenix360mute]

you still goin for foxhound arent you bud

[Lanesracra]

I love MGS games, but I'm so bad at them. I can rarely pull off stealth correctly.

[Lithium Jack]

Yeah, I'm gonna need to start from the beginning again, as I've made far too many mistakes on my current run (pointless saves/leeches etc). I also rather stupidly saved in the middle of the Groznyj Grad escape, which means that I can no longer do the smoke grenade tactic.

 

Here we go again

 

I love MGS games, but I'm so bad at them. I can rarely pull off stealth correctly.

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Same, I'm actually probably a "bad" MGS player, as I can rarely do on-the-spot stealth. I just need to go through areas again and again until I have a route that I can do flawlessly