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:rolleyes: Don't you just love it when people post without actually reading the thread! I mentioned CAW and the fact that htey had marked sown prices on all their products and we all almost left with a M203 a peice.

 

 

Sorry I did gloss over the M203 you mentioned but I have read the bulk of the report :) , what I really was hoping to hear about in particular in reference to the CAW stand was any impressions you may have had on their new Benelli M4 shotgun.

 

Again, apologies if I have offended you.

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To be honest escort products don't interest me as they are of no use here in Japan. In the winter it's too cold for them to work properly

Correct me if I am wrong, but HPA (high pressure air) is not illegal in Japan and not that expensive either... Plus Escorts for the japanese market are down powered (regulated) versions.

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TOP showcased their new blowback M249 with great success. In the spotlight was the new gas/drum developed for the hardcore user. This allows the user to carry a small co2 tank and regulator INSIDE the gun's footprint. (more in depth info later, including detailed picures)

 

Did anyone besides me find this interesting? What SniperX is saying here is basically that we can have a high quality M249 + mad blowback, without the use of a external power source.

 

Any thoughts on that?

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In the winter it's too cold for them to work properly and in the summer the heat easilly takes them over the legal limits.

I fail to see how that is possible with a regulated gas source, let alone what Trasher mentioned above.

 

While I'm not an expert, false info.

 

Did anyone besides me find this interesting? What SniperX is saying here is basically that we can have a high quality M249 + mad blowback, without the use of a external power source.

 

Any thoughts on that?

Sure. In essence, you are taking the external gas source (like a CO2 or HPA bottle that someone would carry in a hydro carrier) and moving it into the box mag. Hence, it will be smaller (less capacity), while potentially taking a bit of BB space in the box mag away. Granted, you take away the big 'ol gear workings of the TOP box mag and place a small bottle in there with a mini-regulator, and......yeah, I suppose the BB capacity of the TOP box mag could stay the same as it is currently.

Without any knowledge of what they've done, if packaged neatly and efficiently, you could get a decent amount of rounds out of a small bottle like that.

But it won't be an all day solution, it would mean changing out the bottle (or box mag.....guess we'll see how the concept was designed up).

I'm merely speculating.

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Very nice reporting Far East. I think I'll go next year.

 

Was there any updates from VFC on the release of the 1918 BAR?

 

-kalbs-

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Thanks for the speculation on that AustinWolv.

 

I personally wouldn't mind taking 3-4 M249 mags with me in a backpack. Then again I am ready to sacrifice some of the comfort for the sake of realism.

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Escort M249: if the internal gas source will be large enough for - let's say - 1000 rounds, with simple refill possibility (and optional external rig connection), I know where my money will go... I guess the price will be over $2K. :(

 

Those VFC AKs are really nice, the STAR L96 is also tempting, but I'd prefer a spring version for cold weather consistency.

 

Any idea about the performance of the VZ Skorpion? Something with a little more punch than an AEP would be nice...

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Fareast: lucky dog, I was hoping a retailer would offer me one for testing too. :P

 

Ah well, I'll probably be picking up the AKS74 before the VCRB exemption comes into effect in April (still waiting to see the registration system etc that was suggested implemented), even if I am building an Inokatsu 104 at the moment. It'll look purdy with some real steel wood grips and my old afghan gorka. :)

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Ok my comments about the Escort guns or other classic style gun is that they need alot of adjusting durring the day here in Japan and you'ed pretty much need to adjust them in every game which means they need to be chronoed. In winter when the temps get very low they run into problems.

 

Several of the guys on our team have classic rigs and they only bring them out in the spring time when the FPS are constant due to the temp and hummidity. I'm not saying they are bad, in fact i talked to Paul about building me an MP5SD2 with an internal gas supply built into the stock. Unfortunately i can't justify the cost :(

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Correct me if I am wrong, but HPA (high pressure air) is not illegal in Japan and not that expensive either... Plus Escorts for the japanese market are down powered (regulated) versions.

 

Gas is around 1000 JPY a can we have to use HFC134a here so you can see where i'm comming from, thats about 4.50 GBP a can btw.

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I am talking about refilling HPA tanks in SCUBA shops (you need a $35 adapter for that)... HPA is unaffected by weather. But we are getting offtopic...

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FarEast, was there any mention at what STAR's AW338 is meant to put out FPS wise? Not being Japan based I was wondering if they wouldn't downgrade their output like Tanaka has done, would be nice if it would kick out 400-500fps with the right gas, heres hoping they put a decent hop rubber in it.

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FarEast, was there any mention at what STAR's AW338 is meant to put out FPS wise? Not being Japan based I was wondering if they wouldn't downgrade their output like Tanaka has done, would be nice if it would kick out 400-500fps with the right gas, heres hoping they put a decent hop rubber in it.

 

 

I hear that pre orders buttom ready for pressing

 

 

 

Good read Far east thanks Brightened up my sunday morning :)

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It's interesting the new VZ.61 Skorpion AESMG's gun to have an almost identical gearbox as the MP7, however judging and comparing the gearboxes from the photos, both are the same and it is hard to make a clear judgment if the rumors are true about an electric blowback system.

 

Tokyo Marui Showcased their Prototype Scorpion VZ61. It features a new mini-mechbox and metal lower receiver. I will have more details in the morning. (I only caught a glimpse, Escort was very busy). Reports from viewers say it is electric blowback. Also, showcased was the new electric Beretta. (more info in the morning). (Pictures on monday, I forgot my card reader at home)

 

I have one news from my friend at Tokyo Marui who came to our shop and said the new AESMG is scheduled in March. That being said in early December, it is clear what he said is true as Marui is making the USP and Vz.61 on schedule. It would be great if you can Fareast, to determine if the rumor about the blowback on the Vz.61 is true. I don't have high hopes that it will though as the gearbox does not show components that might work with the blowback.

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Gas is around 1000 JPY a can we have to use HFC134a here so you can see where i'm comming from, thats about 4.50 GBP a can btw.

 

134a isn't much cop for running classics, as you point out, it's expensive and comes out of the tin at too low a pressure.

 

You should still be able to get Sun Project "green gas" in Japan which is actually CO2 in 76g cannisters. The regs come up occasionally in shops and auctions and just clip onto your belt. They really are a spring/summer thing though, as the cooldown can be horrific. First used stock it, as did a lot of hobby shops.

 

You can still get the old sherman M4 HP air tanks, too, but they're bulky. The advantage there is that you can fill them off a 12v compressor running off your cars fag lighter.

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134a isn't much cop for running classics, as you point out, it's expensive and comes out of the tin at too low a pressure.

 

You should still be able to get Sun Project "green gas" in Japan which is actually CO2 in 76g cannisters. The regs come up occasionally in shops and auctions and just clip onto your belt. They really are a spring/summer thing though, as the cooldown can be horrific. First used stock it, as did a lot of hobby shops.

 

You can still get the old sherman M4 HP air tanks, too, but they're bulky. The advantage there is that you can fill them off a 12v compressor running off your cars fag lighter.

 

And this is why i don't use classics! I have my MGC MP5k and thats it.

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It would be great if you can Fareast, to determine if the rumor about the blowback on the Vz.61 is true. I don't have high hopes that it will though as the gearbox does not show components that might work with the blowback.

 

No the Vz.61 is not electric blowback. It's a standard AESMP.

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Ok my comments about the Escort guns or other classic style gun is that they need alot of adjusting durring the day here in Japan and you'ed pretty much need to adjust them in every game which means they need to be chronoed. In winter when the temps get very low they run into problems.  Gas is around 1000 JPY a can we have to use HFC134a here

FarEast, under the Japanese limitations of gas sources, yeah, that is problematic. But it is due to those gas limitations, not that a regulated gas source has to be adjusted constantly due to the weather.

Same goes with cold temps.....HPA isn't affected by the cold like green/propane or CO2.

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No the Vz.61 is not electric blowback. It's a standard AESMP.

 

Any idea WHY someone might have thought it was blowback? :huh:

 

Great review, btw, seems to be quite a lot of interesting stuff there this time.

 

Thanks for taking the time to write it up.

 

Cheers.

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Tokyo Marui Showcased their Prototype Scorpion VZ61. It features a new mini-mechbox and metal lower receiver. I will have more details in the morning. (I only caught a glimpse, Escort was very busy). Reports from viewers say it is electric blowback.

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Ok, 1st off it was in a sealed container and was not a working demo like the M14 SOCOM. So to clarify things I spoke to Mr. Watanabe (Mr Watanabe is the General manager for Tokyo Marui) regarding the Scorpion and it is not Blow Back.

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Thank you for the clarifications FarEast, I really appreciate it. I'm sorry to ask again, but was Tanio Koba there at the show?

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