CZFan Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Looked a few pages back, saw no thread. So here goes: ETA march 2016. No set price. CNC Metal, takes real grips. CO2 ready. Uses KJ 75 mags (no p09) That's all that has been said. Odd, this close to release, but lets see if they make it in march or if it will be pushed back. Extractor appears to be molded in, and not a separate piece. So it appears to me... hope it's not. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Anyone else a bit disconcerted that they seem to use those blue rubber guns as "reference" somehow ? I see them posting those in a lot of pics. Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 The bottom one (ASG / KJW) is already available in the US and some EU countries. I'm looking forward to these, I'm a huge CZ fan. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Anyone else a bit disconcerted that they seem to use those blue rubber guns as "reference" somehow ? I see them posting those in a lot of pics. Can't see why. Blue guns are cast from the real thing so dimensions should be spot on. Link to post Share on other sites
vorpalbunnie Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 So what is custom about these? I'm a little confused as the SP01 is already full metal and decent quality. And takes CO2 cz75 mags...and takes real grips with slight modification... Link to post Share on other sites
MrTreble Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 For a moment I thought I saw a Jericho 941F... (and that's what I want) Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 How is "custom" different from this: http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/215972-asg-cz-sp-01-shadow-gbb/?hl=shadow ? Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Can't see why. Blue guns are cast from the real thing so dimensions should be spot on. I guess I was referring to how poorly the details transfer as per the picture above Link to post Share on other sites
CZFan Posted February 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 The one I know of is many years old, is plastic and has ASG stamped all over it. Im not aware of a metal non asg fake branded sp01 to date. When guarder did mass produced custom guns in the past, they took blank KJ and changed barrels and cnc cut markings in them (currently APLUS does similar). This one appears to either be special made for guarder or they get kj blanks and cnc machine fine details and send them off. As I said, not much information given, just the photos. But over the ASG linked earlier, that doesn't fit RS grips, this one should as guarder rep said. From what they allude, looks like the machine the whole body for better accuracy. Again, they are pretty silent and since its not a glock, there isn't a fury of Chinese speakers demanding answers (they ignore English qs) The blue gun is for checking holster fitment, since we know how some airsofts can't fit in precision molded units. I don't think they use the bluegun to cast the metal one from.... Its the best thing unless the manufacturer gives them blueprints or they get a real one and model from it. Link to post Share on other sites
CZFan Posted February 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 For a moment I thought I saw a Jericho 941F... (and that's what I want) There is one from KWC, but its pretty horrible. Well its Jericho something. Some model... still, pretty horrible. Link to post Share on other sites
Gunnman Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 For a moment I thought I saw a Jericho 941F... (and that's what I want) Someday, my friend... someday... Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Would be very tempted to build one of these if / when steel slide comes out... ummm Link to post Share on other sites
Katotaka Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 I am officially dreaming of a (series of) Tanfoglio in this system (no, KWC doesn't count) Or be more realistic and get CZ Custom aluminum grip panel and commission a CNC'd flat trigger, time to fire up some Fusion 360 Edit: A bit OT but hey, I now want this and Tanfoglio can go http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/02/23/new-shadow-from-cz-cz-shadow-2/ Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Shooting video Link to post Share on other sites
vorpalbunnie Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Shooting video That's the ASG one, this guarder one is confirmed a separate development. My ASG contact said they had no hand in it. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 But if both the ASG and Guarder start from the same gun (KJW) wouldn't that mean they're practically the same thing? Link to post Share on other sites
CZFan Posted February 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 But if both the ASG and Guarder start from the same gun (KJW) wouldn't that mean they're practically the same thing? Not really. They might use the KJ gas system just like PRIME used KSC system for their CZ kit Link to post Share on other sites
mightyjebus Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 is this it? http://wgcshop.com/products?item=kj-works-sp-01-shadow-co2-blowback-pistol-black they also have this one. http://wgcshop.com/products?item=kj-works-cz-p-09-gas-blowback-pistol-black Link to post Share on other sites
CZFan Posted February 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Yes that's the new KJ release. What guarder will do with theirs is TBA. I can pretty much guarantee you they will get KJ blanks and cnc correct them, they have hinted at that already. As to whether details like actual ejector will be added, TBA. Plenty will have to be corrected if we go by the state that KJ left the p09 in, which is a totally different platform from the 75. It is not based on the 75 design IRL and in airsoft. And again, the new KJ has nothing to do with the horrible toy plastic SP01 that ASG has been trying to push around for years now. Link to post Share on other sites
discodante Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 Shame they couldn't put a ring hammer on it. Link to post Share on other sites
CZFan Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Round hammer is the older version. Newer ones as well as aftermarket are the squarish ones. Still, it is nonetheless not 100% accurate in shape. guarder/kj the top line of the hammer is level with the slide. on the real, its on an angle although looks easy enough to correct with a grinder/manual mill and some recoating, for those obsessed purists Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Looked a few pages back, saw no thread. So here goes: ETA march 2016. [photos] No set price. CNC Metal, takes real grips. CO2 ready. Uses KJ 75 mags (no p09) That's all that has been said. Odd, this close to release, but lets see if they make it in march or if it will be pushed back. Extractor appears to be molded in, and not a separate piece. So it appears to me... hope it's not. Any news on this? Been pushed back?? Link to post Share on other sites
CZFan Posted May 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 It was just released this week. WGC and REDWOLF have the oem version and EHOBBY has the aplus (which is identical to the guarder one from what I can see) engraved one for a few $ more. I ordered that since I am very happy with the other aplus cz I got. Should be here soon. Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Ehobby definitely has engraving on the frame and the barrel that WGC doesn't have. Are you planning to fit RS grips? That's what I'm worried about with this "Aplus" model (not explicitly called this by Ehobby). Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Hmmm. The KJ version on Guarder's Intruder site looks identical to the one on Ehobby. http://www.intrudershop.com/show_product_eng.asp?idproduct=2829#top Meanwhile, the green gas GBBs being distributed in the US by ASG have the different hammer. http://www.airgunwarehouseinc.com/py-3955.html http://www.airsoftextreme.com/products/asg-cz-sp-01-shadow-gbb So how many versions of these are there floating around? It seems to me there may still be a "Guarder custom" version yet to drop. (See vorpalbunnie, post #15) Link to post Share on other sites
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