Hick Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 More pics here: http://socomgear.com/english/index.php?mai...;products_id=30 Package including: R700 AIR RIFLE One magazine One sniper ghillie camouflage Features: SIMULATED RECOIL ACTION MATTE COATING FINISH AUTHENTIC RECEIVER FINISH SNIPING LIGHT TRIGGER Interested in hearing what the simulated recoil action is exactly.... Link to post Share on other sites
IronWolf Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Probably the same mechanism as found in TM's G-Spec "real shock" model. *EDIT* - Ah, I've overlooked that T0p Sp!N, interesting... Link to post Share on other sites
T0p Sp!N Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Says "Green Gas" in the corner (unrelated?). Hmmm... Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Well, there's definitely some type of cylinder assembly there - looks much more like a TM Pro Sniper than a Tanaka M700. Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
Jin15 Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Based on the pics it looks like it uses Marui VSR mags, but the little "Green Gas" icon in the corner makes me wonder if they put a gas bolt in it. I've yet to see any aftermarket gas bolts for the VSR produce really consistent shooting results, but I'll keep my eye on this one to see how it turns out. Link to post Share on other sites
tanpanther Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 they also call it R700 in COD4 I think. Link to post Share on other sites
Noart Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Yup they do, but most probably because "Remington 700" is too long for the interface in the game. What do i know, i just assume. Link to post Share on other sites
Kristoffer Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 BAR10 most likely, the manual leaves no doubt that it is a VSR10 or one of its clones. The only "innovation" I can see is that they have written a new manual. If I were to rebrand a rifle in this fashion, I would at the very least include some proper barrel spacers and make sure that a good hop-up rubber is installed. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 You guys do know that the VSR10 is based on a Remington Model 700 Varmint, yeah? This is just a VSR-10 clone - probably with a weight on the piston to give it "Real shock". Link to post Share on other sites
Holmes Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 You guys do know that the VSR10 is based on a Remington Model 700 Varmint, yeah? This is just a VSR-10 clone - probably with a weight on the piston to give it "Real shock". But a gas clone Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 These are spring based. Should shoot about 500 fps out of the box. Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 cant work out why you would want recoil on a sniper rifle myself... fair enough with AEG's, if thats your thing. a bit of realism when spraying and praying, but with a long rifle, accuracy is paramount. and airsoft bb's arent really the best at this to begin with. to me, this recoil is just another cog in the works affecting someone hitting a player, and there are already enough of said cogs in airsoft sniping. just my opinion, but i wont be buying one. Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 cant work out why you would want recoil on a sniper rifle myself... fair enough with AEG's, if thats your thing. a bit of realism when spraying and praying, but with a long rifle, accuracy is paramount. and airsoft bb's arent really the best at this to begin with. to me, this recoil is just another cog in the works affecting someone hitting a player, and there are already enough of said cogs in airsoft sniping. just my opinion, but i wont be buying one. Recoil is something you experience after the shot is fired. Since this is a bolt action sniper rifle recoil will really do very little to disturb follow up shots since you have to chamber another round anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
Travis_2 Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Darn it, I was getting really excited. Just another VSR clone... Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Recoil is something you experience after the shot is fired. Since this is a bolt action sniper rifle recoil will really do very little to disturb follow up shots since you have to chamber another round anyway. hmm, i was wondering if the bb had time to leave the barrel before the recoil engine did its thing though Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Recoil is something you experience after the shot is fired. Since this is a bolt action sniper rifle recoil will really do very little to disturb follow up shots since you have to chamber another round anyway. hmm, i was wondering if the bb had time to leave the barrel before the recoil engine did its thing though The "recoil" system is probably just a large weight attached to the piston to give the rifle "real shock", just like the TM of yore. So it'll fluff your accuracy and be totally useless. Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 thats what i was thinking. Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteHawksan Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 still doesn't explain whats with the green gas logo in the corner :s Still Recoil is for AR's not for snipers. Link to post Share on other sites
infected Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 still doesn't explain whats with the green gas logo in the corner :s Still Recoil is for AR's not for snipers. yeah, because real snipers don't deal with recoil. It's a bolt action. It's airsoft... if that amount of recoil is affecting your shot more than wind or environmental conditions, then you need to hit the gym. On another note, did I miss the price on this thing? Anyone know if they are coming out with a g-spec version... and what the heck is that "green gas" logo all about? I've been thinking about getting a vsr, and can't bring myself to buy into a BAR10... I'm hoping the quality of this is better than the BAR10 and near or equal to the quality of the VSR. Link to post Share on other sites
chownsy Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 as you can see in the pictures this is just a TM clone from the magazine position. also socomgear is madbull's sister company also from the pics it sort of looks like a gas bolt system which is dreadfully un-consistant Link to post Share on other sites
farrasdevell Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 reading the manual supplied on the socomgear site linky to it yes it is a vsr clone but possably 500 out of the box IF the trigger mech is reinforced. Link to post Share on other sites
morugatu Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I'm probably wrong, but that manual and the rifle itself look indentical to my HFC USR 11 w/real shock and I'm wondering if they're just rebranding the USR 11 since it is made in Taiwan. Like I said, probably wrong, but who knows? One thing I don't understand is if its green gas, than how does it have real shock? I was under the impression only spring models have real shock? Perhaps the green gas means that they will be releasing it in gas form at some point? Anyway, as always, I hope this is an improvment over the TM in price and the BAR 10 and USR in performance. The real shock isn't that big of a deal since it takes ten minutes of drilling to open the cylinder and two minutes to remove the weights on the piston. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 The "recoil" system is probably just a large weight attached to the piston to give the rifle "real shock", just like the TM of yore. So it'll fluff your accuracy and be totally useless. yeah, because real snipers don't deal with recoil. It's a bolt action. It's airsoft... if that amount of recoil is affecting your shot more than wind or environmental conditions, then you need to hit the gym. THERE ARE WEIGHTS ATTACHED TO THE PISTON. THIS MEANS AS THE PISTON HITS THE CYLINDER HEAD - WHILST THE BB IS STILL IN THE BARREL - YOU WILL GET A "SHOCK". This can adversely affect accuracy, unlike in a REAL STEEL RIFLE where the recoil impulse is AFTER the bullet has left the barrel. Link to post Share on other sites
infected Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 THERE ARE WEIGHTS ATTACHED TO THE PISTON. THIS MEANS AS THE PISTON HITS THE CYLINDER HEAD - WHILST THE BB IS STILL IN THE BARREL - YOU WILL GET A "SHOCK". This can adversely affect accuracy, unlike in a REAL STEEL RIFLE where the recoil impulse is AFTER the bullet has left the barrel. Ah, didn't realize that's how it works. Never worked on one before... and would rather have a G-spec style anyway over the "real shock", unless it was a gas blow back . <finishes eating his humble pie> Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Aye, the TM "real shock" VSR never sold very well at all. GSPEC all the way. Link to post Share on other sites
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