Panoptes Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Just got mine, so a few initial observations/impressions: Good: Solidly built. And I mean SOLID. Good weight. Not sure how it compares with the real thing but feels 'right'. I'm 5' 8" and it feels comfortable to shoulder if a little back-heavy (much like the L85). Well made. I was expecting good things from TSI but average to poor on the ARES. How wrong I was! This is great quality. Although it's mainly carbon-fibre there's very little 'plasticky' feel to it. Surprising amount of metal parts, too. No rattles, creaks or wobbles. Fixable: MARS sight honestly isn't as bad as I've read. Mostly metal and seemingly well-built. Optics seem clear enough and not distorted as read elsewhere but a little dark (as expected though). Red dot/laser adjustments not instinctive but got there in the end. Laser ok. Again, difficult to adjust but will be adequate for indoor CQB as intended. ROF. I like realistic ROF but this feels quite slow on an 8.4 mini battery. Will have to ramp it up with a 9.6 I think. Bad: No printed manual. Trigger. Nice and 'tight' - very positive. Response though seems poor. Trigger/fire delay very noticeable. Long travel. Not sure if this can be fixed. Is there a mosfet in this thing?.... Overall: Worth the RRP? Maybe not (just) but has potential. A must buy if you're into less common/exotic weapons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EmptyChambers Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Protip: It uses a microswitch as a trigger unit. Not a mosfet, but no contacts to fry, and you can very easily mod it to achieve an active braking effect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted November 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 A whut? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vercingetorix Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Pretty much the same switch as in an SAW, you know, the clicky one? They are great because they don't corrode and take much higher current loads with much more efficiency. They also provide a much better and more repeatable/consistent trigger pull IMHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted November 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Cheers. The trigger 'draw' is pretty long, to be honest. Any clues as to how I'd go about fixing that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Saint Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Best fix is probably getting accustomed to it. The real TAR21 has a very long trigger pull too, with plenty of excess. Nature of the beast. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Reptile House Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Not sure what you can do about the pull, it seems to be the nature of bullpups. To speed up the response, you could whack a MOSFET in, switch to Deans, see if the wiring could use an upgrade and use an 11.1v lipo. Just doing the latter to my T97 has helped (I'll get the rest done when it breaks). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted November 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 (edited) Errata: ...this feels quite slow on an 8.4 mini battery. Will have to ramp it up with a 9.6 I think. [trigger] response though seems poor. Trigger/fire delay very noticeable. Long travel. Well it will be if you use a near-dead battery! Revision: Trigger response is now assessed as good - if just a tiny bit unresponsive. Nothing to whinge about, tbh. ROF is superb on an 8.4v. (...anyone wanna buy two new 9.6 minis?... ) More than happy with this out the box - now for some firing... Edited November 27, 2009 by Panoptes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Reptile House Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Let us know what muzzle velocity you're getting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted November 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Gimme a tick... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted November 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 338fps / 1.31J on .25g! 1.05J on .20g. Awesome and just under the legal limit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Warning Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) you'll possibly get more if you change the air seal nossle, altho they might have improved it since the first lot came throu source on why i say that: Airsoft Mechanics Tavor Gearbox Thread Edited November 28, 2009 by Warning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted November 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Most of my guns average 1.25J so this should be fine once it settles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Reptile House Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Ah, but get the Prometheus v2 nozzle and be kinder to your internals by downgrading that spring Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted November 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Possible, possible... I thought the Tavor already came with a tightbore though? Tbh, apart from sights, I'll be "ain't broke, ain't fixin" this one! IDF sling is now on order as-is the EoTech 557 I really, really want a MEPROLIGHT though. Either: or this bad boy: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Reptile House Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 I thought the Tavor already came with a tightbore though? It does - I was talking about nozzles, but wasn't very clear Let us know how the sling works out... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beretta Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) The mepro sight is something i would really love to get hold of for my Tavor, it finishes off that look. Although the Ares is far superior to the TSi, I think it can do with some improvment out of the box. I found the shim job wasnt great, the hopup rubber is extremely thin and leaky, and theres a lot of grease/oil in the cylinder and barrel. Stripping it is also a pain in the face but with a little work it can work really well. I ditched the old Ares motor this afternoon in favour of a G&P M120 in there and an active breaking mosfet. trigger response is 100% better although it still lacks in that trigger'ish feel. Its a shame the gun strips the way it does because you need to remove the gearbox to change the barrel etc, I'll have my barrel next week and have to do it all again. Family photo. Edited November 28, 2009 by beretta Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shinden Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Quick question, how many of you run this gun on a 9.6v opposed to a 8.4? I am concerned that running 9.6 will ruin the gearbox faster than usual.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Reptile House Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) I'll be running mine on an 11.1v lipo when I get it. In fact I run all my AEGs on 11.1v now, having switched from 8.4v. I suspect the difference in wear is incredible, but nothing has worn out yet. Why don't you split the difference and go for a 7.4v lipo? Normally, a 7.4v lipo will give a higher ROF than an 8.4v nimh, but in a more efficient package. Edit: Nice family shot, beretta - you've reminded me to keep an eye out for the G&G F2000 Incidentally, what barrel are you getting for your Tavor? Edited November 28, 2009 by The Reptile House Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beretta Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Im using a Madbull python barrel, it hasnt arrived yet though. I added a barrel extension to make it look less short and chunky too, Then added another one, and a silencer, just for laughs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted November 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 What extension did you use? I wouldn't mind converting this to a longer barrel variant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beretta Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 i actually used the one from my F2000, its a clocksize thread too,. You could always pick up this cheapo M4 GBB barrel for the extension, the threading on this is 14mm clockwise. http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/big-dragon-16in...aeg-silver.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted November 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Thanks. So it uses regular M4 barrel extensions? Is it accurate to RS size? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beretta Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 its roughly the same size. Most M4 barrels are 14mm counter clockwise though, hence why i pointed out the GBB one, its positive threading. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted November 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Thanks. Out of interest, how do you remove the MARS sight? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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