Trasher Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 When you shoot a sniper at someone you aim for the head or upper body. I shot at least a 100-150 people this year with my 560fps and 600fps VSR and no one ever complained. Typically, I aim for the torso (or whatever is the widest target area) to maximize hit probability. Aiming for the head is stupid for a sniper, unless that's the only available target. From the number above, I shot just a few people in the head. And very-very few in the face. Link to post Share on other sites
charlieboy69 Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 i agree, even though with a headshot it 1. makes him feel a little dumber 2. makes you feel a bit better 3. looks cooler and demoralizes anyone who saw it happen on his team. it also 1. is more risky to him (injuries) <- main point 2. is harder to hit Link to post Share on other sites
Walton_County_Firefighter Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 When I play with the church team the guys with snipers all aim for the head. I think its kinda funny since they are the youth pastors. When I play with them I wear my full USMC load out that I had in the corps. You'd be surprised how many times my kevlar helmet has saved my *albatross*. I also dont expose just my head. I learned that in the sand box(Afghanistan), they shoot at what they see. I've developed some counter sniper strategies as well. But generally snipers only get that one shot at you before you know that you've been shot at. They know that and you know that and as soon as you hear it and dont get hit, its time to move. Link to post Share on other sites
sneaky-fab Posted December 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 and then we have silent sniper rifle Link to post Share on other sites
docs90 Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I shot at least a 100-150 people this year with my 560fps and 600fps VSR and no one ever complained. Typically, I aim for the torso (or whatever is the widest target area) to maximize hit probability. Aiming for the head is stupid for a sniper, unless that's the only available target. From the number above, I shot just a few people in the head. And very-very few in the face. I run all my bolties at 500 and i havent yet in 3 years had to shoot for the head , i always wait ,and never less than 25 metres ,im in it for fun not to hurt anyone smgs .29 win end off Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I shot at least a 100-150 people this year with my 560fps and 600fps VSR and no one ever complained. Typically, I aim for the torso (or whatever is the widest target area) to maximize hit probability. Aiming for the head is stupid for a sniper, unless that's the only available target. From the number above, I shot just a few people in the head. And very-very few in the face. What he said. I'd be much happier on a field where snipers use 500fps bolties than on a filed where some nobber has a 1.35J MP5k. To spell it out, the guy with the 500fps boltie is likely to be shooting at you from at least 30m away. By contrast, you could be shot by the K at point-blank. Which do you think is gonna hurt more? I'm also not sure what makes people think snipers are more likely to take head shots. People shoot at what they can see. If a guy with a 1J AEG can see your head poking out over a log 10m away he's gonna shoot at you. Equally, if a sniper sees your head from 40m away he's gonna take the shot. In that example, the 1J gun fired at 10m is probably going to hurt more. Only a nutcase would deliberately take head-shots where a larger target was in view. Link to post Share on other sites
Swerve Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Some examples of self-rifling http://guns.connect.fi/gow/historia5.html This is the only thing I can see that would be in any way useful, as it is a solution already in use to add rifling characteristics to a round from a non rifled barrel. Link to post Share on other sites
Marine47 Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I wish companies would work on making awesome hopup systems rather than new bb's that will fail. If they re-designed the m4 hopup to work just as good as the m14 hopup..there would be MANY buyers. (including me! ) Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 When I play with the church team the guys with snipers all aim for the head. Must be a nice team if they strive to change the dental records of other players. Last time, when I had the chance to shoot two guys (crawling toward my high-ground position) square in the face @30m, I waited until the first one turned his head to the side and drilled him above the line of his patrol cap, and put one into the shoulder of the other. Two hits, no harm done. Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Koba's 'new project'? 2004?? Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
sneaky-fab Posted December 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 yea its 3 years old, i found that out later .... Trasher, you sound like a noble man to me... respect I made some headshots but its not my fault, its the fault of the crappy 6.14 widebore barrel that random selects my point of impact Anyway face protection is on his way for my little brother ( and for me ) Link to post Share on other sites
liamo333 Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Yes really, aegs don't have a consistent air seal+velocity solution, a well setup sniper rifle has a +/- 1fps variance, havent even /heard/ of an aeg that has anywhere near that, I guess it could work if your site has no fps/ammo/anything restrictions, but if thats the case, you might as well be playing backyard scrimishes. <-- airsoft tech 5 years running I chronod my sr16 with an element FTK and it was shooting 272/273 fps. Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I chronod my sr16 with an element FTK and it was shooting 272/273 fps. At this low fps, you wouldn't expect too much variance, it tends to show up more as you add more power, you would be unlikely to see a +/- 1fps at 500ish fps. Well done if you do. Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
charlieboy69 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 i tried someones aeg counter sniper. it was 442-429.... (those were the 2 shots i did) whereas my tm m4 (1J) does 317-320 Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 i tried someones aeg counter sniper. it was 442-429.... (those were the 2 shots i did) whereas my tm m4 (1J) does 317-320 As said, & that has a huge effect on accuracy. Conversely it's one of the contributory factors to why the VSR is so accurate. If you get it right, they chrono +/-1 or less, all the way up the fps scale. I've got a 400fps aeg sniper that chronos +/- 2, but that's the best I've had so far. Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
sneaky-fab Posted December 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 i agree, you have to have a stable fps so you can learn your BB flight path and use it with your feeling but if it shoots at random FPS, the BB will fly at random speeds so you can shoot at your feeling thats why i hate my 6.14 widebore M6 Link to post Share on other sites
thewallhitme Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 come now guys, deliberatly shooting people in the head is not safe and in most cases is against the rules on a public site. says so in the weaver form i filled out to play. also, pointed rounds are a no no because of the chance that they could break the skin. breaking the skin/ causing damage quickly leads to court cases and assault with fire arm charges. trust me this happened to a "sniper" at the place i regulrly play. he had a really hot gun and he shot 3 people. 2 face shots, and one neck shot. both from ridiculous ranges (ridiculously short). all 3 broke the skin and caused bleeding. after that he was banned from the site and one of the guys who was hit threatened him that he would charge him with assault. then if he did, the courts would find that his rifle was way over legal (and forum limits) which would result in it being delt with as if it was assault with a fire arm. this equals jail time. if your gun is powerful, do not shoot any one ever! in the head. nor should you be looking to shoot anyone at close range. Link to post Share on other sites
sneaky-fab Posted December 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 that sniper must get jain time he is destroying airsoft IMO Link to post Share on other sites
thewallhitme Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 true, but think what it could have done with pointed projectiles. Link to post Share on other sites
sneaky-fab Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 3 KIA or WIA ( real bad ) and those power levels the BB is already at penetrating level, with a pointed projectile it would enter the skin. Maybe it would penetrate airsoft glasses too 0_o ! Link to post Share on other sites
HeartBreaker1317 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 As a Sniper Myownself, I have a few reasons, both practical and philosophical, for not taking headshots. First of all, even with the most consistent, accurate sniper rig, there will be significant deviances at the proper engagement range, which when combined with environmental factors can make what would have been a close hit a miss. And misses are not acceptable. So centre-of-mass is my preffered point of aim. Also, Fewer people *badgeress* at me if I don't shoot them in the face, which makes them less likely to attack me from absurdly close range to "Teach me a Lesson". The Philosophical reasons are that I wouldn't want to be shot in the face with my rifle ((On the high end of legal)) and so I won't be doing it to anyone else. Also, headshots aren't necessary in Airsoft, so the most utility is realized by shooting for center of mass which gives consequently higher kill/deat ratios. Link to post Share on other sites
charlieboy69 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 As a Sniper Myownself, I have a few reasons, both practical and philosophical, for not taking headshots. First of all, even with the most consistent, accurate sniper rig, there will be significant deviances at the proper engagement range, which when combined with environmental factors can make what would have been a close hit a miss. And misses are not acceptable. So centre-of-mass is my preffered point of aim. Also, Fewer people *badgeress* at me if I don't shoot them in the face, which makes them less likely to attack me from absurdly close range to "Teach me a Lesson". The Philosophical reasons are that I wouldn't want to be shot in the face with my rifle ((On the high end of legal)) and so I won't be doing it to anyone else. Also, headshots aren't necessary in Airsoft, so the most utility is realized by shooting for center of mass which gives consequently higher kill/deat ratios. good points there. i totally agree with the "i wouldnt want it done to me" thing, it makes perfect sense( i got hit by a 500 fps sniper in the chest, barely hurt, but i felt it, whereas i got hit by a stock mp001 in the forehead.that hurt a lot more) Link to post Share on other sites
thewallhitme Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 ok, so we agree headshots are bad. but back to the whole reason behind the thread. shaped bbs. they are also going to go down a very bad road. unless u are just shooting paper targets and want that extra 1cm of accuracy at a piddly range, they have no place in airsoft. Link to post Share on other sites
monkey530 Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 so yeah...besides getting off topic they already designed a shaped projectile for airsoft. it looks like a mini nerf thing. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/8/prweb417804.htm http://rap4.com/paintball/os/rap4-airfin-4000-p-2946.html Basically shaped projectiles means changing hop units or eliminating them, and new feeding system. Plus cost for ammo goes up by a lot. But eh. These airsoft guns are overpriced POS from what I have heard. I only have heard of one person every buying one. Apparently these airsoft guns could also shoot copperhead bb's you know those metal bb's that hurt like a mofo when you got shot by them. Yeah. It is old. Plus I think in the old days of classics they originally had bullet shaped bb's(not sure but pretty sure I read it somewhere). That was the same time with all the ejection of shells and etc. Not really practical in terms of cost and etc. Manufacturers found it cheaper to produce round bb's and eventually created the hop for accuracy. Also look at air guns. BB guns are typically made for target shooting, some for hunting small game. But people wanted more lethal force and accuracy. Meaning power and stuff, so they switched from round bb's to shaped pellets. Also on the topics of taking headshots, it isn't really cool if you can shoot them somewhere else. Unless you shot them somewhere else and they didn't call it, then and only then go for skin. This isn't like a video game where you are like OMG U GOT PWNED!!!MONSTER KILL!! HEADSHOT!!! It is more of like a respect thing. But eh, it is a personal choice to take headshots whenever possible. But most people are opposed to it. I guess it would be like shooting at people that are at respawn or something or someone that is clearly out. But usually snipers have enough energy that people will know if they got hit. Just don't go for the face or ears since people have chipped teeth and stuff and getting hit in the ear blows. Link to post Share on other sites
mcnuggets Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 If it's anything like airguns shooting pellets are definitely worlds ahead of BB's in terms of accuracy. I'm all for this. This seems to be the next logical step. Link to post Share on other sites
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