Lupus78 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) My thoughts on inokatsu is that they made it TOO realistic and maybe TOO close to RS specs. If you see some of their pictures there's a gas tube entrance and the bolt has a hole for the gas to push it back. Who's to stop some dumb@$$ to try to modify it to shoot live rounds? First of all, the measurements are way off. They're just the same as WA (afaik) and they're not compatible with RS. Plus the receiver material is aluminum (even if forged) and NOT made to withstand the pressures in real firearm. The outer barrel is not fit for real rounds. Also you'd need a working firing pin and a more powerful hammer I suppose. If some a**hole manages to fire it with a real round, then too bad for him... It's more likely to explode on his face. Besides, buying a $1000 dollar Inokatsu to do something that stupid sounds just ridiculous, when you can get real AK's a lot cheaper (legal or illegal). Edited October 8, 2008 by Lupus78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liquidflorian Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) First of all, the measurements are way off. They're just the same as WA (afaik) and they're not compatible with RS. Plus the receiver material is aluminum (even if forged) and NOT made to withstand the pressures in real firearm. The outer barrel is not fit for real rounds. Also you'd need a working firing pin and a more powerful hammer I suppose. If some a**hole manages to fire it with a real round, then too bad for him... It's more likely to explode on his face. Actually, Real M4/M16's are forged aluminum alloy bodies IIRC... Besides, buying a $1000 dollar Inokatsu to do something that stupid sounds just ridiculous, when you can get real AK's a lot cheaper (legal or illegal). Most of my high end AEG's end up costing around that all said and done, It's the $100 magazines that are hard to swallow. Edited October 8, 2008 by liquidflorian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus78 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Nice to know. I'm actually not that familiar with AR-series rifles. That makes it even more interesting, this Inokatsu. If the performance is around WA's performance (but with more durable parts for green gas), then I'm all sold. It sounds like as realistic as possible with a toy gun. Nice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nickthebrick65 Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 airsoftextreme.com now has the inokatsu parts in stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 airsoftextreme.com now has the inokatsu parts in stock. Hmmm... this shop have got only UPS and USPS shipping? Anyway.. metall with "M.T.W"... so... don't interesting for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) G&P WA M16A4 RWA Price: $180 Kreuzdonnerwetter! \Ger\ King Arms Display Stand Сompatible with WA. Где приобрести: WGC Price: $15 Edited October 14, 2008 by rusTORK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neros131 Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Has anyone heard anything about the non-trademarked "Delta" WA M4 series? I am interested in them since they are so much cheaper as a base. Anyone got any info on them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 It's basically the same thing. The hop-up set is the bulls-eye one instead, but it's still made out of plastic. Bolt stop is functional, but the bolt is dark like the RIS versions. The reason why it's cheaper is it doesn't have an RIS and a full carry handle (which is by far the best one i've ever had). Magazines i believe are black in color instead of the grayish ones they made before. And like you've stated...there's no trademarks of any kine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neros131 Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 It's basically the same thing. The hop-up set is the bulls-eye one instead, but it's still made out of plastic. Bolt stop is functional, but the bolt is dark like the RIS versions. The reason why it's cheaper is it doesn't have an RIS and a full carry handle (which is by far the best one i've ever had). Magazines i believe are black in color instead of the grayish ones they made before. And like you've stated...there's no trademarks of any kine. So, in other words, not worth the minor price decrease. And it is minor, only $100. by the time it is in the us (whether shipped or retail), it will be $500 anyways. Might as well pop the extra $100. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 That depends. A lot of people switch out most of the body parts anyways. The bulls-eye hop-up system is designed a little better than the original stock one. The magazine is black instead of gray, and there might be some other improvements elsewhere. They don't really show the bolt stop or list any other differences. For those people who want just the base system and is gonna be swapping parts and getting a g&p metal body and RS rail system anyways, then $400ish for the guts is a pretty darn good deal. We won't know the true shipping price of the new ones until they hit retailers so we'll just have to wait and see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neros131 Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 That depends. A lot of people switch out most of the body parts anyways. The bulls-eye hop-up system is designed a little better than the original stock one. The magazine is black instead of gray, and there might be some other improvements elsewhere. They don't really show the bolt stop or list any other differences. For those people who want just the base system and is gonna be swapping parts and getting a g&p metal body and RS rail system anyways, then $400ish for the guts is a pretty darn good deal. We won't know the true shipping price of the new ones until they hit retailers so we'll just have to wait and see. Does anyone even know when they will be officially released? I am probably going to stick with the stock body and get a RA-Tech hop up and bolt stop. I was just going to buy some of the "S-Type" magazines, even though they don't have a bolt stop. I can worry about super-fly bodies later, I want it working with a full set of magazines first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus78 Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 (edited) Has many people installed a G&P metal body for the WA? How do you like it? Was the installation easy, hard or real pain in the *albartroth*? Does the rifle work as it used to before metal body? Any other comments about it? What other modifications have you made for the rifle? Any G&P front sets, precision barrels, other internals (bolt stop, hop up etc.)? I'm also considering my options, whether it's WA, WE or Inokatsu. Don't know yet... Edited October 16, 2008 by Lupus78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Well apparently wgc just put them up for sale. $426 for the cqb-r and $474 for the m4a1. G&P bolt stops suck (unless they've improved it), their ris kits seem to not fit very well. I dunno...i've been having too many problem with g&p parts recently that i just can't bring myself to buy anything more from them. It's been a waste of time. Oh and from what i've read about the g&p kits, they work fine and all but you have to shim something since there's play between the upper and lower receivers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Recived today RA-Tech's Hummer. No problem with installation. Fit perfect. P.S. On last photo - PGC Valve Lock and RA-Tech Hummer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 (edited) About G&P Metal body: http://lagunshop.militaryblog.jp/e30072.html (Look last photo. Inside stock ring...). For install your need some original WA parts (89-93). So, i think what G&P MBK (Metal Body Kit) it's direct copy of WA Body, just metal. Inokatsu MBK don't use it. But your need another parts: Buffer Retainer, Buffer Retainer Spring, 5-3 Fire Control Selector Spring, 5-4 Fire Control Selector Detent, 7-15 For WA, 7-16 Set Screw. 8-\\ Edited October 16, 2008 by rusTORK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neros131 Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Well, now I am torn. Should I save some money and get the WA Delta M4A1, or go with my original plan and get a regular M4A1? Oh noes, decisions! The horror! Has anyone taken the plunge and ordered the "Delta" version? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 It depends on what you want to do really. If you're planning on keeping the external parts stock and want an ris, then just get the ris versions. But if you plan on getting a diff RIS, then you're better off getting the delta. If i started another gas blowback m4 project, I'd buy the delta series one and build it up from there. Ra-tech hop-chamber/bolt stop/inner barrel, guarder outer barrel, and whatever other parts (ris/front sight/flash hider). The body i could live w/o trademarks cuz i already have 2 m4a1 trademarked bodies, but if i DID decide to get a metal body i'd try to get my hands on a prime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neros131 Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 (edited) I have most of my build decided on as of now. Daniel Defense Omega 10" or POF P9X (leaning towards the POF) Magpul MIAD Magpul CTR Tango Down Short Vertical Grip Daniel Defense Low Profile Gas block Knock-Off Docter Sight RA-Tech Hop Up RA-Tech Bolt Stop RA-Tech hammer PDI 210mm 6.01 Barrel The only think left for me to really decide on is whether to base it off the WA M4A1 or Delta M4A1. I don't plan on buying a new body anytime soon, so I am trying to decide if it is worth paying the extra for the trades. Also, I know it has been asked to death, but does anyone have real chrono results for the PDI 6.01 210mm barrel? I need it close to 400, if possible, with .25's. Lastly, had anyone used the new Simplified magazines? The ones without the bolt stops? I am trying to decide if it is worth the price difference to have the working bolt stop all the time. Edited October 16, 2008 by neros131 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 FN M16A4 NEW! M4A1 NEW! Package Included: • Steel Dust Cover Set • Steel Front & Rear Knob Pin • Steel Stock Ring • Aluminum Trigger Guard • Shock Buffer x 2 • Material: Aluminum Where to Buy: FN M16A4 (RWA, WGC) Price: $180 M4A1 (WGC) Price: $180 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GBB Nut Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 neros131 - You may have some issues using the DD gas block on a stock WA M4. Because the grooves for the pins are not spaced correctly one (or both) of these grooves may be visible after you've mounted the DD gas block. The only option would be to purchase an Inokatsu front set. Apparently they use the proper pin spacing for a real front sight block on their barrels. Personally I'd avoid the s-mag because I like having the option of using my bolt stop. Besides it's one of the main reasons why most of us purchase a WA M4. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neros131 Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 neros131 - You may have some issues using the DD gas block on a stock WA M4. Because the grooves for the pins are not spaced correctly one (or both) of these grooves may be visible after you've mounted the DD gas block. The only option would be to purchase an Inokatsu front set. Apparently they use the proper pin spacing for a real front sight block on their barrels. Personally I'd avoid the s-mag because I like having the option of using my bolt stop. Besides it's one of the main reasons why most of us purchase a WA M4. Worst case scenario is I just pick a longer low-profile gas block to cover the second pin. Not a big deal to me. The S-Mags are so much cheaper, though! But you are right, the bolt stop is half the fun, and giving that up would be lame. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skippy Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Gday guys, I have read most of this very long thread and havent come across any mention of a metal A2 or VN type body. IIRC Inokatsu were doing a VN/A1 kit but I cant find it any hwere? Thoughts? Thanks TC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BaBaBooey Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Gday guys, I have read most of this very long thread and havent come across any mention of a metal A2 or VN type body. IIRC Inokatsu were doing a VN/A1 kit but I cant find it any hwere? Thoughts? Thanks TC Yeah, Inokatsu has (had?) photos of an A1 metal body on their website, but I haven't heard of any plans on releasing that. I personally would much rather get a fixed loop upper than a railed, but I'm sure most people will prefer a flat top. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skippy Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Thanks mate, I'll just hold on for the moment then, with the rapid rate that after market parts are coming out for these it shouldnt be too long.... Maybe they'll supprise us and come up with a CAR15 kit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZoeTze Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 RA-TECH hop up rubber for WAM4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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