Mac GFT8 CO Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I dont know much about GBB Rifles but if it is compatible with WE wouldn't it be compatible with a few other brands aswell? Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I dont know much about GBB Rifles but if it is compatible with WE wouldn't it be compatible with a few other brands aswell? nope Link to post Share on other sites
MCXL Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yea, no. Your thinking of WA. Link to post Share on other sites
IronWolf Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 At least they're not dropping the GBB module Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 At least they're not dropping the GBB module And that's the reason I'm happy to ditch my ARES Tavor in favour of TSI's model. As for WE as a GBB IMHO WE is a better GBB system than WA-less complex than WA, more robust and more recoil. With a WA type GBB you'll need a whole load of upgrade parts to get to the same performance and robustness level as a stock WE. The WE mags have (or continue) to be generally rubbish- I have 2 down at any one time out of a total of 8. One would hope that TSI would produce better quality mags. Also, lets hope that the GBB module is CO2 ready since the CO2 mags are better than the Propane ones. However given that it looks like it's going be a WE GBB system, then it'll be CO2 ready- something the WA has not done- a big PLUS for WE. CO2 makes my M4 rock like a real steel Diemaco M4 and still stay within 350fps Link to post Share on other sites
Bishamon Tiger Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 ...I was told my order was third batch and would ship next week. Great news that the delay on the buffers won't delay the third batch. And that's the reason I'm happy to ditch my ARES Tavor in favour of TSI's model. Good man. Rear spring release catch hasn't put you off, then? Link to post Share on other sites
Amoki Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 For their GBB module. they'll have to develop the system from scratch due to where the mags are placed, and I seriously doubt they can use existing M4 GBB mags in the market in their gun unless they got themselves some brilliant minds to make it happen. That's why it is understandable why they want to finish the IDF contract first before they would even start R&D-ing into a GBB module, it's going to be a propriety system -> expensive to develop. And for the reason, I wouldnt' be entirely suprised if they chose a "gas in the gun" design which allows you to use existing M4 AEG mags in your GBB. Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 For their GBB module. they'll have to develop the system from scratch due to where the mags are placed, and I seriously doubt they can use existing M4 GBB mags in the market in their gun unless they got themselves some brilliant minds to make it happen. That's why it is understandable why they want to finish the IDF contract first before they would even start R&D-ing into a GBB module, it's going to be a propriety system -> expensive to develop. And for the reason, I wouldnt' be entirely suprised if they chose a "gas in the gun" design which allows you to use existing M4 AEG mags in your GBB. But they said WE mags . and why couldnt they use them? Link to post Share on other sites
Amoki Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 But they said WE mags . and why couldnt they use them? I've looked everywhere on TSI Armouries' Facebook page and nowhere did they say anything about their plans for GBB? Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I've looked everywhere on TSI Armouries' Facebook page and nowhere did they say anything about their plans for GBB? now im not on facebook, but maybe he PMed him?(if you can do that on facebook) Link to post Share on other sites
GaMeFrEAK1018 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I've looked everywhere on TSI Armouries' Facebook page and nowhere did they say anything about their plans for GBB? I forgot where he said it (it was on this forum, though), but it was around maybe June/July when Guy said that they have plans for a GBB system. Then, everyone went into a tizzy speculating whether it'll be gas-in-mag, external air, or gas-in-gun. Guy DEFINITELY said it himself, though. Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I forgot where he said it (it was on this forum, though), but it was around maybe June/July when Guy said that they have plans for a GBB system. Then, everyone went into a tizzy speculating whether it'll be gas-in-mag, external air, or gas-in-gun. Guy DEFINITELY said it himself, though. i know they were taking about eh GBB version, i was talking about when whoever said it was taking WE mags Link to post Share on other sites
Amoki Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I forgot where he said it (it was on this forum, though), but it was around maybe June/July when Guy said that they have plans for a GBB system. Then, everyone went into a tizzy speculating whether it'll be gas-in-mag, external air, or gas-in-gun. Guy DEFINITELY said it himself, though. You do know that the forum allows you to find out every single post a user has made? And if you did just that, Guy didn't comment much about a GBB drop-in module other than "We are leaning toward the "gas in the gun and not mag" concept, providing we can come with a solution that can keep the rifle skirmishable" in March? Oh, and "The development of the GBB variant has been temporarily put on hold due to a looming contract with the IDF. We are examining their needs, and will likely release the GBB in a configuration that will match the same specifications as the weapon provided the IDF" Link to post Share on other sites
Mac GFT8 CO Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 The info I provided came straight from TSI Armorie's Facebook via INSTANT MESSAGE. He did say R&D had been put on hold but would be resumed shortly. I specifically asked if it was gas-in gun or gas-in mag design because I also remembered that he had said gas-in gun. He definetly said it was gas-in magazine design. They may not really be quite sure what it will be as of yet. Link to post Share on other sites
GaMeFrEAK1018 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 You do know that the forum allows you to find out every single post a user has made? And if you did just that, Guy didn't comment much about a GBB drop-in module other than "We are leaning toward the "gas in the gun and not mag" concept, providing we can come with a solution that can keep the rifle skirmishable" in March? Oh, and "The development of the GBB variant has been temporarily put on hold due to a looming contract with the IDF. We are examining their needs, and will likely release the GBB in a configuration that will match the same specifications as the weapon provided the IDF" Sheesh, sorry. I'm aware of that feature, I was just on my way out and couldn't dedicate the time. Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 You do know that the forum allows you to find out every single post a user has made? And if you did just that, Guy didn't comment much about a GBB drop-in module other than "We are leaning toward the "gas in the gun and not mag" concept, providing we can come with a solution that can keep the rifle skirmishable" in March? I know that you can search posts here, but i wasnt talking about what Guy said here, im talking about what Mac said he was told on Facebook via IM, like he said. "Well I spoke to TSI via IM on Facebook and I was told my order was third batch and would ship next week. The also have two additional pictures of the weapon on their Facebook. I was also told the GBB kit will be a gas in mag design compatible with WE mags. The RD was put on hold but will be resumed shortly. No estimate on price." And he only posted that within the last few pages , and no im its definitely that they are using this as things change, but this the latest update we have on the GBB. Link to post Share on other sites
Amoki Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 My bad on the IM part. That said however, I find it mutually contradictory with the "looming IDF contract" part of Guy's post... Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 From what I recall, TSI had a while back planned on making the Tavor compatible with WE mags. However, the IDF and some possible contracts with large real steel vendors may have altered those plans for using the WE system, as their specific requirements for a GBB system as a training weapon might affect how TSI's Tavor system will be designed. So the GBB is still planned, but is perhaps in flux as to how it will be implemented until more clear direction is given to them. Link to post Share on other sites
Bishamon Tiger Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 The gas debate is a diversion. Did the buffers arrive and when are the AEGs shipping? Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 The gas debate is a diversion. Did the buffers arrive and when are the AEGs shipping? It's not a diversion as the GBB issue has no affect on the AEG release. People keep asking about the GBB stuff and discussing what they all think it should be, so it comes up in the thread and derails the predominant conversation of when the gun will come out. The only people derailing/diverting the conversation as you say, are the people posting in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Bishamon Tiger Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I agree with you. It's mid-week. We need more facts. Link to post Share on other sites
david pithers Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 i also agree, the gbb bit is just a far off nicety, can we have the gun first?. would really like something more concrete. Link to post Share on other sites
beretta Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 So there is still nobody that has actually received a TSI Tavor yet no? Link to post Share on other sites
DrKalinka Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Call the IDF. They apparently have. AND START READING THE THREAD! No... No one else than the IDF have received their tavor. The tavor is supposed to be sent this week or the next. No exact date. Cant we all just wait until somebody gets the tracking number? Or actually holds the rifle in their hands... The ones that are in the second batch will probably tell us. So... Patience... Link to post Share on other sites
Bishamon Tiger Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 The problem is, the docile, passive approach doesn't get answers. Link to post Share on other sites
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