Rob15 Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 we all know about the v2 weakness. but there are remedies that exist and modify need not worry about it. Eh? Other than radiusing the corners of the cylinder window (which i'd hope they do) or just getting hold of an MT Haynes CNC machined gearbox what remedies are there? And don't say the Ajax STS, because from everything i've seen and read that just allows you to continue to use a cracked gearbox in an Armalite, absolutely no help to anyone with a G3 or MP5. Link to post Share on other sites
Abelius Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Sorbo pads seem to solve the problem at least partially, so they say in Airsoft mechanics. It's a new phenomena though and much data hasn't been produced yet. Link to post Share on other sites
The Saint Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 That doesn't make much sense to me. You will notice that kind of failures in the instant they happen (big crack sound, horrible grinding sound, no air pressure). And if your gun is toast, you will have to take the gearbox apart to actually fix it. Still I see no real gain there. On the other hand the big holes make this gearbox a dust magnet. Makes plenty of sense to me. I've stripped (and seen stripped) pistons without any "big crack sound". I've seen stripped pistons and stripped gears make the same noises. I've had to order parts (and so have my friend) that I don't have on hand to fix the above problems. If I had to diagnose the problem by opening the mechbox first (so I know what parts to order), I'd have had to close the mechbox backup after diagnosis and reopen it for repair, or leave it open until the parts arrive. The windows on the side of the Modify mechbox eliminates the above hassles. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Eh? Other than radiusing the corners of the cylinder window (which i'd hope they do) or just getting hold of an MT Haynes CNC machined gearbox what remedies are there? And don't say the Ajax STS, because from everything i've seen and read that just allows you to continue to use a cracked gearbox in an Armalite, absolutely no help to anyone with a G3 or MP5. 1. sorbo pads help 2. radiusing helps 2. you dont need to empty that high cap 3. you dont need an M130 i have never broken or cracked a v2 gearbox and the only AEGs i ever used were clone mp5s. Link to post Share on other sites
Pendra Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 You don't need to assemble the broken gearbox. Put it into a shoebox and the rest of the gun into a bag. Then put them away until you have the replacement parts. You saved plenty of time. I take down my guns ONLY when they have some serious issue. "If it ain't broke, dpn't fix it." I take the gearbox apart if there is no visible cause of the performance degradation or the internal gearbox faliure is evident. Never really needed to peak inside the gearbox. Finally on some V2 guns, it takes longer to get the gearbox out then to take apart and re-assemble the gearbox (like the TM M16VN). Link to post Share on other sites
The Saint Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 So you completely missed the part where I was talking about how you can't properly diagnose a problem by sound alone.... Link to post Share on other sites
AnakChan Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 You don't need to assemble the broken gearbox. Put it into a shoebox and the rest of the gun into a bag. Then put them away until you have the replacement parts. You saved plenty of time. I take down my guns ONLY when they have some serious issue. "If it ain't broke, dpn't fix it." I take the gearbox apart if there is no visible cause of the performance degradation or the internal gearbox faliure is evident. Never really needed to peak inside the gearbox. Finally on some V2 guns, it takes longer to get the gearbox out then to take apart and re-assemble the gearbox (like the TM M16VN). Hmmm...personally I dunno if I'd agree with that kind of recommendation. I've got AEGs not used in like a year and personally I'd recommend gearbox service at least once a year - primarily cleanup & grease change. Of course if I didn't I'm sure the gearbox would still function but not necessarily efficiently. Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlesticks4220 Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 L.O.L if i ever kept a gun for a year...... Any way, you cant judge a gun by days of age but only by rounds fired. Have your gun tuned about every 25 thousand rounds or so. (every six bags of BB's) Link to post Share on other sites
Pendra Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I guess I'm used to TM guns. Their gearboxes are dry or lightly greased but still run for years without any problem. Chinese guns, whole different story. Yes I got your point about the sound issue, however there are other noticable symptoms. Actually, can you tell any serious internal faliure which does not degrade the performance or renders the gun inoperable (running but BBs are not flying)? Link to post Share on other sites
gbb Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 http://www.nlairsoft.com/archive.php?action=show&id=1453 i just confirm to Modify for the gearbox and they said the gearbox is not final, can be said a prototipe. so we must wait what the inovative they make for the gearbox. Link to post Share on other sites
Abelius Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Someone email them and tell them to put a sorbo pad inside, correct the AoE, shave the second and some of the third piston tooth off and maybe have a MOSFET in stock form. Would be the greatest drop in ever, with literally no opening before putting to use required. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Someone email them and tell them to put a sorbo pad inside, correct the AoE, shave the second and some of the third piston tooth off and maybe have a MOSFET in stock form. Would be the greatest drop in ever, with literally no opening before putting to use required. Most of the Modify pistons on WGC already have the second tooth removed, they did some where the second tooth had been totally removed and the 2 after had been shaved down. But everything above and radiusing would make an excellent drop-in, wouldn't be cheap but it'd be worth it. Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Someone email them and tell them to put a sorbo pad inside, correct the AoE, shave the second and some of the third piston tooth off and maybe have a MOSFET in stock form. Would be the greatest drop in ever, with literally no opening before putting to use required. Why don't you email them? Link to post Share on other sites
Abelius Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 To be straight - Can't be arsed. Link to post Share on other sites
TheMightAdam Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Why dont they just put a clear window over the holes, wouldnt that work? Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 i emaled tham a couple days ago. i got a reply today. here is the content of the reply: Thanks for your e-mail. Yes, the idea is comes from the machine of watch. You might have seen some watches have the machine been hollowed out. We name our gearbox Torus. Here the hole technic is both a easy way for service your gearbox and art. However, I think the picture you saw was the gearbox blank. There are a lot of improvements would be made, such as the screw...... If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us. Best regards so yeah. its a maintenance/artsy thing... Link to post Share on other sites
farrasdevell Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I struggle to find words to express my excitement about this release dammit there go the savings. Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I wonder what pricing will be. Not so arsed about having to opening it up as i would do it anyway no matter what. From looking at the Smooth sets i daresay the internal bearings look like 8mm to me. Cant say im thrilled at a V2 but i do have 2 G3's that would appreciate this, a V3 box would be uber delicious Link to post Share on other sites
Bersy Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I wonder what pricing will be. Not so arsed about having to opening it up as i would do it anyway no matter what. From looking at the Smooth sets i daresay the internal bearings look like 8mm to me. Cant say im thrilled at a V2 but i do have 2 G3's that would appreciate this, a V3 box would be uber delicious Same here i wish they'd make a V3 GB as i'd want one for my AKS74! Link to post Share on other sites
Abelius Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I got arsed enough to send the e-mail, here's the answer: - Please pre-radius the gearbox front corners. It will help the gearbox strength and make it less prone to crack. Answer: Yes, we did that. - Please file the second tooth off the piston, as well as half of the third one. Coupled with this, please be the first manufacturer wise enough to correct the piston and sector gear angle of engagement already, so we, the buyers, won't have to do it ourselves for piston mechanism longevity. Answer: We'd cut the 2nd to 4th teeth off our ultra piston, like a step, to make it a high speed piston. And now we just cut off 2nd tooth off the ultra piston. - If possible, please add a sorbothane pad to the cylinder head. This is an awesome method to prolong the longevity of the gearbox shell, as sorbothane will take most of the piston impact! Answer: We had already set about testing this. Seems like we will have one beast of a gearbox. They will also make the actual shell available first, the full kit shortly after that. They seem to be open for ideas, so it might be worth it to send your suggestions too. Superb service. Link to post Share on other sites
Beast06 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Piston looks identical to a Supercore = Can't wait for this to come out! Link to post Share on other sites
SlickAxe Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Nice to see those replies from MODIFY. Great service, and MODIFY clearly thought about the new gearbox. Link to post Share on other sites
-Drake- Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 This looks pretty Epic. I've been tempted to pick up their gear/piston set for a while but I may hold off now and wait for the whole shabang. Link to post Share on other sites
morugatu Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Same here, a company that cares about the consumer, makes high quality parts, is open for improvement, and sells them for a great price as well is guaranteed to receive my money. Link to post Share on other sites
The Saint Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 If Modify sells cylinder heads with pre-installed Sorbothane, I know a lot of people who will be all over it. Link to post Share on other sites
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