Basic-Wedge Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I recently finished a Canadian Forces style C7A2 build, using a 500mm length Angry Gun 6.03 tight bore barrel in a WE M16A3 GBBR. I thought I'd pass along my impressions of this new inner barrel: The Angry Gun barrel is a nicely polished stainless steel piece, which arrived packed in a soft section of poly tubing, with tight fitting caps sealing each end. I was pleased to find the bore is polished to a particularly high standard and was spotlessly clean. I can't count the number of times I've received a new barrel, and immediately had to clean it, including instances where bits of metal shavings left over from the manufacturing process had to be swabbed out. That certainly wasn't a problem with this barrel from Angry Gun. All the machining is good and precise. The crown is well cut, the chamber end is smooth, and the grooves for the bucking are exactly where they need to be, and cut to the perfect depth. An RA-Tech bucking fit my barrel with ideal precission. I always wrap my buckings with Teflon tape for a gas-tight seal, but the fit here is so precise, I probably could've skipped this step. The overall length of my barrel measured at 500mm exactly, right on spec. The fit within the outer barrel could not be better. The new inner barrel ends where it needs to and sits tight, with no floating. When I finished the build, I figured this gun would likely be a tack driver, and it is! It'll group shots within a couple of inches at 25m, hitting a man-sized target at 50-60 meters with ease. In wind-free conditions, it can range out beyond 70 meters, and overall groups are as good as any I've seen fired from any airsoft rifle. I'm sure you can tell I'm very pleased with this barrel from Angry Gun, and I intend to use these in all my future rifle builds. I give it an enthusiastic 10 out of 10. Highly recommended! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Is it better than RA-Tech? Angry gun: self-install required RA-Tech: preinstalled in custom set Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basic-Wedge Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Don't be frightenend about the prospect of disassembling your WE M4/16. Here are a couple of YouTube videos I'd recommend to anyone unfamiliar with gas rifle disassembly: These two videos, from AirSplat in the U.S., cover the conversion of a closed bolt WE to open bolt configuration. The first video pertains to the upper receiver, the second focuses on the lower receiver. Watch them both, and you'll have a clear idea of how to deal with any WE M4/16 rifle, whether closed or open bolt. Cheers! Edited May 1, 2012 by Basic-Wedge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Don't be frightenend about the prospect of disassembling your WE M4/16. I'm not I'm frighten that the aftermarket part will not be a direct drop in. It happened to a number of parts hence the reason I prefer they preinstall it (so it takes the guess work out) Like anyone else, the first thing I do with GBB is strip it to it's individual parts and reassemble it. (even my KSC M9) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Great videos those AirSplat videos, thanks! I knew most of that allready but seeing it done doesnt hurt! But in order to get the RA barrel pre-installed you have to buy the complete RA rifle, but I assume you allready have a WE M4 ? So the Angry Gun makes more sense ? Also I've heard so-so feedback on the RA Barrels. Changing the inner barrel is not very complicated, just takes quiet a bit of disassembly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Great videos those AirSplat videos, thanks! I knew most of that allready but seeing it done doesnt hurt! But in order to get the RA barrel pre-installed you have to buy the complete RA rifle, but I assume you allready have a WE M4 ? So the Angry Gun makes more sense ? Also I've heard so-so feedback on the RA Barrels. Changing the inner barrel is not very complicated, just takes quiet a bit of disassembly. I got the RA tech custom already I was wasking the question Is Angry gun better than RA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Aah, I see, sorry then. Then based from what I hear AG > RA. However my RA in my KJW 10/22 seems allright from first impressions, so I dunno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basic-Wedge Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 The "Generation 2" magazines seem to be coming into wider distribution now; they're showing up on all major Asian retailers' websites. WGC just sent me notice that my shipment of new mags is on its way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkpics Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 About the OB conversion videos, I have a few comments. On the upper. Get the bolt and charging handle out ASAP. Don't unscrew the barrel extension. Don't remove front sight, remove the gas tube, it's one little pin in the front site (not 3 pins and a screw), and you pull the gas tube back into the resiver and then pull it out past the front site. If you need the spacer put it on the hopup, much easer to line up right, also put the hopup into the outerbarrel again this will help guiding the parts together real easy On the lower Don't take out the mag release, it holds no other parts, it's just a vast of time to do so. Don't do the bolt release in the middel of changing the trigger pack. Do take out the rear screw before punching the pin, Do keep the hammer cocked so FA parts a held in place. Yes there is a order to do some of the steps in, when taking it apart,its grip then selector then rear screwand last pin, when putting it together again it's pin first and then screw then selector and last grip. About the selector spring, just put the grip straight down on the resiver and hold it on while you screw the grip screw in. On the Mag parts The lips 99% of the time has molding flashes that you will need to trim. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basic-Wedge Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) I was just noticing, for a type of rifle not thought of as being well suited to cold climates, WE gas rifles sure have enough fans in northern countries! Sweden, Denmark, the UK, Canada... it's often chilly, but we love our gas guns. Edited May 4, 2012 by Basic-Wedge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basic-Wedge Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) In their latest video, RA-Tech has announced their intention to soon offer an aluminium nozzle to replace the OEM model in WE M4/16 rifles. No word on projected cost, but you can see it for yourself: Edited May 4, 2012 by Basic-Wedge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reppyboyo Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Cant say im keen on a Alu nozzle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rvlyssup Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Cant say im keen on a Alu nozzle. Curious, care to elaborate your thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reppyboyo Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 I see the nozzle as a deliberate weak point in the system. Apart from having the bolt slam home on the pot metal hop unit, you will have the additional stress of a alu nozzle hitting it. Plus it could potentially increase the chances of when a misfeed occourres, the BB is shattered in the chamber which could cause some serious issues. Finally is the cool down factor, an alu nozzle will freeze long before a plastic one does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rvlyssup Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Lol, sounds like symtoms of a WA! (J/K WA peeps, put the purses & pocketbooks away. Yes I own a few and love em!) I actually thought the same thing but it may actually be better. Not too many malfunctioning issues w/ the OB platform stock or w/steel upgrades. That in itself seems to be a plus. I for one will be trying out that AL nozzle. Perfect opportunity to upgrade another one of my M4s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basic-Wedge Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 When the bolt closes, the tip of the nozzle impinges on the hop-up bucking. Unless the nozzle was distorted, there is no contact with the metal portion of the hop-up housing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rvlyssup Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 The concern I have is when the front or the carrier mars the edge of the hop up. Unlike the Magna system, WE is one piece assembly and like Reppy pointed out, pot metal & a *suitcase*-ty one at that. However, it looks like the marring does not get any worse. That may change when using an AL nozzle. RAT still having it in its prototype stage may be to address issues and may also be working on an AL hop up. That will be golden. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reppyboyo Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Steel hop up would be my choice. Would buy instantly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rvlyssup Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Steel hop up would be my choice. Would buy instantly. Hell, I'll take one or each. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkpics Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 YES, there IS a market for a really nice steel hopup for WE M4/M16/416, make it 30-40 USD and se them fly of the shelf. There is also a market for a nozzel in some good fiber reinforced plastic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 YES, there IS a market for a really nice steel hopup for WE M4/M16/416, make it 30-40 USD and se them fly of the shelf. There is also a market for a nozzel in some good fiber reinforced plastic. Nozzle for $30-40USD is reasonable by RA-Tech's standard But last time I saw RA-tech's WA NPAS nozzle....$150USD makes one wonder why such a price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basic-Wedge Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 I received my first batch of second generation magazines from WGC today. Externally, these new mags look no different from the first series, so I removed the baseplate to make sure they are, in fact, the new type. (The new series has an extra screw to hold the magazine halves together) The packaging looks the same, with just a sticker listing the new model number being added. Inside, WE now encloses the magazines inside a thin foam sleeve for a slight bit of protection. As always, the mags arrived charged with some sort of gas. I'll give them a test in the coming days, and I'll report on their performance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 (edited) What do you mean charged with gas? Full load ? If not I would assume it is the air and/or vapour inside the chamber that expands and contracts slightly during transport due to temperature and pressure changes that give you that slight *pfft* exhale when newly delivered from HK. Transporting pressurized containers via Air is strictly forbidden so I doubt they were intentionally charged with gas. Edited May 9, 2012 by NonEx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reppyboyo Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Mine did not come with any foam protection, nor charged with gas. P-mags and the Tango Down mag shell still fit perfectly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basic-Wedge Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 No, it was more than a slight Pffftt. They may have just half filled the mags with air, but they were definitely pressurized - equal to about half a mag full. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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