uscmCorps Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'm wondering if the reviewer did some kind of color fill on the laser engravings after he received it. Aside from the serial number being a give away that this is the WE version, the threaded barrel extension is another tell tale sign. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Hmmm... I guess he could of gotten the UNC white laser markings version and then had it engraved "for real" on top of those markings. Can't really tell from the text... Link to post Share on other sites
RacingManiac Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 The post said its custom engraved(made by Nako, I am assuming thats another member on Arms-Cool), which the it was received with the engraving in bare metal silver color, he used gun blue re-dyed them black. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I don't get why S&W wouldn't want to officially license this. I mean, I know it's WE but it seems half decent and they've licensed utter toss before. It would seem a good idea to get people into the M&P weapon system who could potentially move up to RS. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 The S&W license has already been granted to CyberGun (from what I recall) and CG have in turn licensed the M&P to a manufacturer (who is in no way associated with WE). The pics I've seen of the early samples so far are very nice. Far nicer than the WE version. And the guns themselves look much more realistic. Link to post Share on other sites
RacingManiac Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Are they GBB though or are they one of those CO2 guns? There are bunch of those licensed CO2 guns that are nothing like the design of a GBB which usually try to mimic the design of the real thing, but they sport all the exterior look... Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 True GBB. Not those CO2 versions. This is a completely new and unseen product. It looks 100% authentic in execution. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Also I would think it's WE that doesn't want to bother with trades. Too much work for them. Just checked the pics, the serial plates of the two posted do not match so they are not the same gun. Aside som the frames being different colors giving it away I guess the slide could be interchangeable betwen the two frames. Anyhows. The engravings on the one I just posted are far worse than Papagos version. I am still excited about my M&Ps that are inbound Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 To be clear (I thought it was clear before) WE aren't putting trades on their M&Ps because it's a copyright owned by Cybergun. And while WE have had no concerns about infringing upon various copyrights in the past, Cybergun is a corporate giant they simply can't afford to tangle with. I'm more than a little shocked they'd even dare infringe upon the tradedress (the silhouette and overall appearance of the gun) but perhaps that's where Cybergun draws the line (i.e. tradedress is ok, trademarks are not). Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 True GBB. Not those CO2 versions. This is a completely new and unseen product. It looks 100% authentic in execution. Well that is interesting indeed. I will have to keep my eyes peeled for that. Do you have any idea when there might be an announcement? Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Cybergun probably doesn't own the license to the trade dress, that will remain with Smith & Wesson. Cybergun will only own the License to make Airsoft Smith & Wessons ie airsoft guns with Smith & Wesson Trademarks. That is why the usual suspects aren't doin a trademarked version, Cybergun are an Airsoft Company so will pursue copyright owned by them as it infringes there business. Smith & Wesson are not in the Airsoft Business so don't give a toss about the Trade Dress in Airsoft. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Considering how far along the samples I've seen are as well as what appears to be photoshoot product photography, I'm surprised that there already hasn't been an announcement. Given that nothing has been officially released yet, it leads me to believe that it's a calculated timing issue. And with Shot Show just around the corner, it's possible that they're waiting to announce at the show. That is why the usual suspects aren't doin a trademarked version, Cybergun are an Airsoft Company so will pursue copyright owned by them as it infringes there business. Smith & Wesson are not in the Airsoft Business so don't give a toss about the Trade Dress in Airsoft. Actually, most licensor RS manufacturers usually do empower the airsoft licensee to pursue both copyright and tradedress infringement. Tradedress infringement is however a much more difficult legal battle which is why most (but not all) licensees do not bother with it. It's easier to argue in a court of law over the name of something rather than the appearance of something. It can be done, just takes longer and a lot more money. Link to post Share on other sites
P.S.I. Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 True GBB. Not those CO2 versions. This is a completely new and unseen product. It looks 100% authentic in execution. I know someone who works for one of CG's subsidiaries and they are waiting for sample(s). If you've seen pix you must know someone there too. I'm looking forward to seeing those... I know who the manufacturer is but am sworn to secrecy (for the time being anyway.) Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I know who the manufacturer is but am sworn to secrecy (for the time being anyway.) I think people will be surprised and well pleased when they see who's making them. The Glock samples I've seen that same company make (which never entered actual production) were simply beautiful inside and out. Their replica M&P pics I've seen were extremely hard to distinguish from the RS version. Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Reckon it'll be KWC with a slim ( Please be so ) chance of Western Arms. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 OK, enough, this is the WE M&P thread. If you wanna post news about another version make a new thread. With that said, it's going to be KWA, obviously... Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Reckon it'll be KWC with a slim ( Please be so ) chance of Western Arms. OK, enough, this is the WE M&P thread. If you wanna post news about another version make a new thread. With that said, it's going to be KWA, obviously... No, no and no. And no comment beyond that. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 HUH? http://www.wemodel.com.tw/EN/ugC_ShowroomItem_Detail.asp?hidShowKindID=7&hidShowTypeID=0&hidShowCatID=0&hidShowID=246&hidClickNum=Y&txtPrdSts=N White backstrap kit for the WE M&P... Guess they are going all out with this one Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 The madness continues. http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.arms-cool.net/forum/thread-127279-1-1.html&usg=ALkJrhjQBOcLeFKQ8aaq3e38snp9bcjcWw 50 round M&P magazine announced, CO2 magazines update and M&PC magazine spacers for full size mags. Link to post Share on other sites
-wigs- Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Now if they just would sell spare mags already. As for who's making a traded version i know about the tm but I could see kjw making one considering cg did do traded 226's with them Link to post Share on other sites
Philbucknall Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 They do. Ebairsoft have them mate. Link to post Share on other sites
-wigs- Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Yeah my last order from eb turned into an all out battle to get my money back. Just waiting on ehobby or wgc to get them Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 UNCompany also have the spare mags available now as of a few days ago! Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 I guess the Compact is right around the corner now; http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.arms-cool.net/forum/thread-127343-1-1.html&usg=ALkJrhgtQhkJbWKMfqH6s0CVRKHvZ8Ekxg Shame about the birds on the mag extensions... bad enough with the WE logo on the grip Decent bundle of stuff in the box; If I read it right release is Dec 8, this saturday, same as full size (saturday). So I guess a week or two on top of that for it to trickle down to the HK shops. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Seriously, wtf are they thinking with those birds. Link to post Share on other sites
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