rusTORK Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I am just checked KSC blog... http://ksc-blacktest.blogspot.ru/2014/12/pm.html ...and then site...http://www.ksc-guns.co.jp/ksc_cart/ksc_cart.cgi?page_id=47&disp=on So, yeah. 29.01.2015 will be a pretty good day. Some spec: Length: 160mmWeight: ~500gMagazine capacity: 10 + 1 roundsMaterial: Heavy Weight Gas System: System 7 Price: 19 500 JPY (~ 164 USD) Magazine price: 3 200 JPY (~27 USD) Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Any word from KWA about a full metal version or will they cop out like they did with the VZ61? To be fair though, that VZ is an excellent replica. If this PM will be made in the same level of quality I wouldn't mind forking over that much, but still hopeful for a Taiwan version as they're considerably cheaper despite being the exact same thing. Also, inb4 "WTF 10 rounds?!?" Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 If they dont make a full metal version, I wont be handing over my money for it. Not since I've held the full metal prototype 2 years ago. I think in that case my money would go to WE. Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 KWA usually releasing same weapons like KSC, but "full metal" with one diffirent thing - plastic outer barrel. I am not sure it will work with PM. It's outer barrel is one part with pistol frame. Since there is no explosion diagram availible it's hard to say. If it's possible to disconnect it easy, then i think it will be full metal PM with plastic outer barrel, which later everyone may replace. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Hmm, well at $164 (or £108 in civilised money) that isn't so bad. However the 10rds isn't that annoying as I know KSC and KWA like to keep single stack mags as single stack bbs but this is really a backup anyway. Still I would rather have a PM though so I might just see if these appear UK side then nab one. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Hmm, well at $164 (or £108 in civilised money) that isn't so bad. I think KWA will have got even smaller price. Same story was with Vz61. Taiwan version is cheaper then Japan one. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Let's face it, most people don't use GBB side arms to rain down plastic death on their enemies so the limited mag capacity is no big deal. And if you are one of those people that like to dish out the pain with a GBB, you won't be using a compact, single stacker anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I dunno, I keep hearing people complain about how their 1911s can't finish all 20+bbs and still lock back. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I dunno, I keep hearing people complain about how their 1911s can't finish all 20+bbs and still lock back. Stupid people. Seriously I have only once had this issue and it was with one that was dry as a bone and had been ragged around a lot. It still got about 22-23 shots average from a slow leaking mag though. Usually only load mine to 21 anyway. As for compact single stackers the Detonics is about the only one I could consider using in a primary capacity. The PM would be a fun pistol for just round the house stuff or carrying in a pouch in a VN kit as a kind of humiliation pistol etc. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
tquilha Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 This looks like confirmation to a theory that says: Airsoft guns are like buses. You wait forever for one, then suddenly two appear. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 However I think this one has taken the a bit. I mean first KWA and their cock up, then the fact it, like the High Power is a vastly popular gun and would fill many a loadout but no we just get about a thousand Glocks, 1911s and ARs. Hell we even have about 50 types of AK but not a single Makarov to go with at least half those variants. Still good to see it might all be for something. Given how this gun has been I won't accept it until I see it in my hands and that you can blame on KWA. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 plastic outer barrel I believe the only reason they do that is for the durability of good abs plastic over pot metal and especially so on Browning tilting barrel designs. Case in point: WEs track record in broken Glock barrels. On a straight blowback like the PM, there's hardly much strain so even cheap metal should do. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Chances are that ratech will come out with a steel outer barrel anyway. I have two of them on my kwa and KSC berettas and the slides show no sign of any wear even after several thousand shots each. Link to post Share on other sites
northernairsofter Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 As Usual, Nishiyan240 provides us with an excellant overview of a new Japanese release. The kick is not to hard, but the gun is certainly snappy. The plastic, particularly the outer barrel, looks very nice indeed. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 That fixed barrel might give some nice accuracy. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Not gonna lie, this is interesting me more than the WE PMM as I like the older PM design and would put KSC / KWA just a little bit above WE. Still if somewhere in the UK stocks one I will have it, if I haven't already caved and bought the PMM . 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 With a 10 round mag and 200fps it's hardly going to take the airsoft world by storm, that said it's a KSC and a very nice one at that. As with any recent KSCs it'll be built well, have very good reliability as well as accuracy and decent range. It's also a nice replica of a gun we don't really see in airsoft, and (obviously) it'll blow the WE out of the water. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 200fps with what gas? Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Room temp. farts Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 200fps with what gas? probably duster, so on propane it'l probably shoot about 240fps.... oh wow. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 probably duster, so on propane it'l probably shoot about 240fps.... oh wow. Good enough for a secondary. And there's also propylene if you need a bit more oomph. Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Good enough for a secondary. And there's also propylene if you need a bit more oomph. I'm sure that wont blow up a KSC plastic slide(!) Not that it isn't a nice replica and I've skirmished with much worse, but it's still niche performance that will limit sales from the regular skirmish crowd. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I'm sure that wont blow up a KSC plastic slide(!) It's pretty evident that the release valve is not open for very long, thus the low fps and the limited recoil. There are two solutions to this: - Use a higher pressure gas. - Modify the valve so it's more open, using more gas for the BB and less for the recoil. The combination of both will get you more fps and less(er) recoil, therefore minimizing the stress on the plastic slide. Link to post Share on other sites
Inspector Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Looks like it's out!!! http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/shop/ksc-makarov-pm-gas-blow-backheavy-weight-system-7japan-version-p-11360.html?zenid=38hijpbt8j65f933r6a61u74m6&cPath=58 Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 And now it looks like the full metal KSC Taiwan version is out as well: http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/ksc-makarov-mkv-pm-gbb-pistol.html#.VRbxzeG8ic4 though Im iffy about some details since they seem to have copied some details from another page (l;ike the part about being c02 and 428fps). Hopefully not the full metal part though. In any case Ive already ordered one so I'll let everyone know how it goes. The stampings and just overall look of it are pretty different then the known plastic one though, as well as the box being completely different, So I'm fairly confident. Link to post Share on other sites
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