harborne blue Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 No, I have no idea why / what / how either but surely a RIF under the VCRA? http://papershooters.com/ Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Oh dear. I don't think these guys know about the VCRA. They're going to loose a lot of money. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Seems so. On both counts. Daily Heil is going to have a field day with them. Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Can't view the page on my phone for sone reason. Anyone got an overview of what they are please? Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Bolt action assault rifles made from cardboard and plastic that shoot little wads of wet paper. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Looks naff. Might get one to shoot wads of soggy paper at my colleagues though. Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Arnie Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 huh, well that was 4 minutes 36 seconds of my life i won't get back! Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Cheers bud! Looks *suitcase*. Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 WHY THE *fruitcage* DO YOU HAVE AN ORANGE TIP IF YOU ARE SELLING IN THE UK? Seriously, these guys did NOT do their research. "Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle""Just like a real assault rifle" Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 "Shoot a paper dart through a paper gun" "First we get the plastic body..." wat Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Haha, liking the background pic of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare on the main page. I bet they paid all the royalties for that . But on a serious note this is just silly, I mean I know we obssess about silly guns that fire plastic pellets but come on, this isn't even trying. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
jal3 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Now that we're on the subject of VCRA covering non-airsoft items, how come the VCRA isn't enforced on airguns? http://www.pellpax.co.uk/airguns/air-pistols/co2-powered-air-pistols/walther-cp88-4-black/288 Anybody over 18 could buy this. All you have to prove is age (so identifaction card, eg. drivers license) and you're good to go. This seems to repeat itself across all airgun shops i can find. Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 These guns aren't worth the effort that went into making them. They look terrible, the way he's holding it the ergonomics are awful, made from cardboard? That's not going to last long. Cheep shell ejecting gun? Good luck with reliability. Spit wads for ammo? Good luck with your accuracy! Spit wads for ammo? Good luck with reliability! Spit wads for ammo, how very hygienic. Spit wads for ammo, seriously? Seriously! I'd not be surprised if they hit the shelves before anyone mentions the VCRa to them. And the orange muzzles just annoy me, they are for US federal law, they aren't a thing anywhere else in the entire world. I never thought I'd be this angry at a gun.... Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Now that we're on the subject of VCRA covering non-airsoft items, how come the VCRA isn't enforced on airguns? http://www.pellpax.co.uk/airguns/air-pistols/co2-powered-air-pistols/walther-cp88-4-black/288 Anybody over 18 could buy this. All you have to prove is age (so identifaction card, eg. drivers license) and you're good to go. This seems to repeat itself across all airgun shops i can find. Because airguns are legally recognised as potentially lethal, and are therefore under separate laws to arisoft/RIF/toys/props and also different laws to real guns. Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Beaten to it by ED-Skar Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 It's not that they're potentially lethal, but that they're classified as firearms so therefore cannot be a realistic imitation firearm as well. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yup, that odd area between airsoft (needs a defence) and a true firearm (needs licensing etc) where you only have to prove age and if I recall make the purchase face to face in a store for all store based purchase. Saying that airguns also have other practical uses that airsoft can't match and firearms are too dangerous for like small rodent pest control and small animal hunting. It seems that people are more content with airguns but put off my airsoft and real firearms for various reasons. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'd prefer one of these... Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'd prefer one of these... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSrrOLCHj-I Some of those are actually beautifully made. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 However, I don't recall RIFs/IFs being specific to the material something is made from (regarding the wood guns)? Plus 'wood' doesn't count as a colour or clear body so I bet somewhere out there on Youtube or some idiot forum is an argument over how this is a RIF and needs a 'license' . To us lot though, it is clearly not a RIF. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
jal3 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The interesting point is that if you shoot harder than VCRA, entirely defined as such, the rifle is VCRA exempt, because it is regarded by a different set of laws. As you said. From reading around, i'm not the first one to wonder about this, and police opinion touches on this, and defines it like this, too. So in theory you could tune your BA or (SA only!) AEG to over 2,5J and be VCRA exempt. In theory. So far. You'd be subject to some other laws though. And it's probably not very practical either on UK fields. (3 levels: 0-2,5J = VCRA, 2,5-16,3J = airgun, 16,3J+ = firearm) Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Plus 'wood' doesn't count as a colour or clear body so I bet somewhere out there on Youtube or some idiot forum is an argument over how this is a RIF and needs a 'license' . To us lot though, it is clearly not a RIF. And I quote: [splinter Sell]cannot sell them to UK residents because of laws restricting the sale of replica guns. 'Them' being these: The interesting point is that if you shoot harder than VCRA, entirely defined as such, the rifle is VCRA exempt, because it is regarded by a different set of laws. Yup, that's exactly my assessment of it too. Link to post Share on other sites
DrAlexanderTobacco Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Edit: Everything I said was incorrect and misleading; I didn't realise the joule level necessary for "firearm" status. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 And I quote: 'Them' being these: I think you missed the sarcasm of my comment but yes, while they may come under a RIF I am sure if you asked most people they would not consider it in the same manner as say a RIF AEG. But then we all know the system is flawed. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Spit wads for ammo? I dunno about you, but shooting spitwads out of my X Cartridge revolvers around the house is kinda fun. Not too fun to clean up afterwards though. Link to post Share on other sites
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