evilliboba Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Ah, thanks LJ. Well technically it is at 17 Ft/Lbs. Link to post Share on other sites
Insanejoe Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Your gamo and my Daisy hit at about 19Ft. lbs. I used a 8.5grain pellet for my numbers. Here's the formula for FT. Lbs. if anyone is interested. M=weight of projectile in grains, and V2 is velocity in FPS squared. M x V2 ÷ 450400 = foot pounds energy Link to post Share on other sites
evilliboba Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Thanks for the formula. I'll remember it for Physics next year. Link to post Share on other sites
Grand'pa Cthulhu Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 My father owns 2 rifles and 2 shotguns and an Desert Eagle pistol. I will very soon own my first rifle, my father decided to buy one for me so i always don't have to use his rifle when we go hunting. The Desert Eagle is very nice to shoot, but the sound it makes is very loud. Link to post Share on other sites
evilliboba Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Well that was a scary moment. I was using my Gamo SHADOW and the pellet must have fallen out as I lock the barrel down. What a crack. My ears are still ringing. I popped the breach open and smoke came out. I guess the pressure ignited the grease. Link to post Share on other sites
Insanejoe Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Yeah the piston usually ignites some grease. Link to post Share on other sites
Triggerhappychappy Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I believe its called 'dieseling', and it occurs mainly with new airguns. I had the HW45 once (called the Beeman 45 in the states), that thing scared the poop out of me. For the first few dozen shots the excess lube in the cylinder would ignite and the result was a massive muzzle flare upon firing- very very cool and realistic looking. These days i have the HW75 which is recoiless for target shooting, and the 'rws series 500+' for the same reason. I really wouldnt mind seeing one of those american 'shoot offs' when all the guys with machine guns/mini guns/ tank guns etc meet up and put on a big show...... *dribble* Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 A few recent photos of me with a couple of my precious ones earlier this week. Excuse the quality, these are screencaps from a video shot with a cellphone. Here's a radient smile while holding a suppressed 5.56 mm 14.5" carbine. The handguard is still the Madbull TALON. Works like a charm! There's a shotgunner in me as well, although my skills are the least developed with that particular long arm. That magnum buckshot was used for vegetarian hunting: I did eat what was left of the melon, and PI... PETA should be happy, since no animals were harmed. There wasn't much to eat though. Featuring a Mossberg 590 military model. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
Chimpy Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Nice beard! Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Nice beard! Thanks! It's my first one ever, now that the army regulations don't concern me anymore... -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
Yeager Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Wow, Finland is looking better and better.. Do you guys have to register supressors over there? or are they sold over the counter? Link to post Share on other sites
AliceHKfan Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 I think its more over the counter since they're "hearing protection" iirc, but I might be entirely wrong Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Not so much hearing protection, IIRC, but noise pollution control. Might be both. Or maybe Alice is right and I'm thinking of some other European country (like the UK, maybe. Or Germany. Or somewhere). EDIT: While I'm here... anyone have any suggestions for an inexpensive AR-15? Or would I be better off getting an AR-180/-180B? Link to post Share on other sites
Yeager Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Not so much hearing protection, IIRC, but noise pollution control. Might be both. Or maybe Alice is right and I'm thinking of some other European country (like the UK, maybe. Or Germany. Or somewhere). EDIT: While I'm here... anyone have any suggestions for an inexpensive AR-15? Or would I be better off getting an AR-180/-180B? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Buy used.. I saw a milspec Colt going for 500 at the last gun show I was at. Only problem was that it was duracoated in woodland camo. Link to post Share on other sites
evilliboba Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 DPMS Panther or Bushmaster maybe? Olympic Arms has some cheapish ones. Link to post Share on other sites
SilentScope Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Sale you ever go without hearing protection with the shotgun outside? I was surprised when I heard how much less loud they were than other weapons. It's manageable every so often if you've been to enough concerts / loud parties, unlike rifles and handguns Nothing like plinking in the woods on a nice day EDIT: While I'm here... anyone have any suggestions for an inexpensive AR-15? Or would I be better off getting an AR-180/-180B? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm gonna get called out for this, but just drop the $1500 or so and get a Colt if you are looking for a serious AR. They have the best QC of any of the manufacturers. LMT is pretty good as well, you can get a lemon when it comes to BM, but they can be great too. If you just want a plinking rifle then it's hard to go wrong though TBH. Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Plinking? I was thinking more along the lines of three-gun, patrol, and SHTF rifle, personally. I just don't want to break the bank to buy one (although I may just buy a Masada if it takes me that long to make up my mind). EDIT: Colt A3 Rifle doesn't look too bad in terms of cost... but I could (hypothetically, in the near future) get a Masada with a shorter barrel, greater reliability, a folding stock with adjustable comb and length of pull... (so long as Magpul's prices don't pull an FS2000). Link to post Share on other sites
SilentScope Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 If you are not getting an AR and don't want to spend lots then I'd get a FAL, "the rifle for the classes" etc. I'm kinda holding back on the Masada, I'm curious to see how MagPul will do making a whole weapon. I'm giving it the iPhone treatment for now Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 I already have an M1A, don't need another 7.62mmN rifle. Link to post Share on other sites
SilentScope Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 My opinion is that if you want an AR that works, you either need to spend lots on a Colt or LMT (some won't even do LMT, because some of their carrier groups arent magnetic particle inspected like Colt's are), get lucky with your tier-2 purchase (like BM etc.) or spend lots of money on things like LWRC piston systems to get a *suitcasey* one to work. The AR has so many inherent issues that you need a really well-made one to have a reliable weapon IDK if Id trust one from a gun show for that much either. Probably a Colt receiver with franken-gun internals. Not much of an honor system at most of those deals. At least with the auction sites there is feedback and all I wouldnt *fruitcage* around with a SHTF weapon, get something you can depend on, one way or another. There is a good chance the Masada will be great given MagPul's history, but who knows, they could have overstepped their capabilities. Not too many people have shot one yet Link to post Share on other sites
evilliboba Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Groupings from my Gamo Shadow 1000 .177 w/BSA 4x32 scope using Gamo Match pellets at 25-30 yards. Ignore the three circled. They are from a different gun sighting in. Not bad for a first try with the gun. Edit: Each square is 1". Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Wow, Finland is looking better and better.. Do you guys have to register supressors over there? or are they sold over the counter? No registration, no age limits, no questions asked. Given how easy it is to manufacture a suppressor, it would be simply silly to ban them. People have various reasons for using them: Reduced noise pollution, reduced recoil, protecting the dog's hearing (if you're hunting with one), and so on. Then again, the purchase permit for each firearm is almost 40 USD, so I wouldn't look at the 200 USD tax stamp as a huge expenditure either. As my collection continues to grow, I'd actually prefer to have free permits (or no registration) for the guns, even if it meant I'd pay 200 USD to register the two suppressors I have. Flipsides people, flipsides. SilentScope: The general consensus among hobbyists over here (speaking as a Finn) is that you can't go wrong with the "ABC-trinity", which stands for Armalite, Bushmaster and Colt. Other trusted brands are Stag Arms, Oberland Arms, DPMS/Panther and Sabre Defence. In the rare occasion there are any problems with the weapons, they are usually easily solved once they are traced. More often than not the problems stem from poorly manufactured magazines, or using ammunition with an incorrect pressure curve (too low port pressure) to cycle the action properly. Getting a well working AR isn't the lottery some people make it sound. Mine is built from a Colt LE Carbine upper w. 14.5" barrel (basically it's exactly like the upper of an M4A1 right down to the feed ramps and full auto slide), ASA lower and Colt 6 pos. stock. The only "malfunction" I've had so far was when I was adjusting the gas system to a point where the bolt hold open barely catches the carrier. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
SilentScope Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 The two ARs I've learned to shoot have been a BM and a Colt (w/ USGI green follower mags), and I've never seen either malfunction once. I've put a number of rounds through them since I was young, never used them in truly adverse conditions, but the owner cleans them hardly ever. The "worst" Ive seen put in them is Wolf, no reloads or anything like that. They are the weapons Ive grown up to trust. That said, my "experience" with other manufactures is basically limited to what Ive read as far as the AR goes. So you've never seen anything dramatic like *beep* getting sheared-off the bolt? I suppose Im probably underestimating the AR. I guess if Jag gets a cheaper AR, and is able to put a couple thousand rounds through it without issue, then he'll have himself a worthy SHTF weapon ETA: Sale have you seen any LaRue AR uppers make it over to Finland? Their tooling is jaw dropping Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 <snip> <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think I may go Kalashnikov, then. <snipity-snipity> <{POST_SNAPBACK}> <eunuchy-eunuchy> <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Or... maybe I will go with an ArmaLite. If I can get one of those new ones with the fixed front sight and A3 upper.... And the mid-length handguard, 16" bbl, and the longer gas tube. Or an AR-180B (unless I can find an AR-180 with Howa markings. Just because I'm awesome like that). Link to post Share on other sites
SilentScope Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 I think I may go Kalashnikov, then. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Enjoy your lack of ergonomics and fumbling around during emergency reloads. I'm kidding, because there are people out there who have mastered the Kalashnikov, but God knows Ill never be one of them. Definitely a useful skillset though Link to post Share on other sites
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