Frontiers Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 KART is making SAIGA-12 with fixed stock and skeleton stock!!! release date in 2 months, metal body i was too tired to make anything watermarks but these obviously are not the real model pictures but factory gave me these ones!also they plan to make after that GALIL SAR! will be a good year for KART! Link to post Share on other sites
thartwig Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Lol, i didnt know there was a SAIGA crowd. If there is they probably havent heard yet. As for a Galil, the only way it'll sell is if its cheap and/or has the working thumb selector. Link to post Share on other sites
m35reo Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 if the saiga is a semi auto shottie like it should be, then cool as hell! if it takes shells etc. but im guessing its an aeg? which wont cut it at all for me look forward to being proved wrong on that. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Well Karts only made AEGs so far so I doubt there would be any major leaps in engineering on this one. Unless it has a custom sector gear that has three nubs to chamber thrice on a single revolution giving you a semi-auto shotgun AEG, at least thats how I'd tackle it. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 well atleast its something new, not the easy way out to make some M4 or normal AK set. those we have millions... Link to post Share on other sites
babuka Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Wow! This is something new... P.S. Abit ugly??? Link to post Share on other sites
Pendra Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 If you load 3 BBs the FPS / BB will go down to 1/3. That leaves you with a gun that shoots 3 BBs at ~120 FPS. For some odd reason I feel it will be a pump shot shotgun. Just look at the forward grip. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 I have to point out that mass is not directly correlated to velocity when equating from a constant energy output. A gun shooting at 1J will send a .20g bb at about 328fps. Tripling the weight to .60g (3 bbs) will send each projectile flying at 188fps. Link to post Share on other sites
Pariah_WP Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 There are other 3 BB firing shotguns that do not have 120FPS. As a matter of fact I have actually used one that shoots around 300FPS (might have been more, but 300 for sure). I hope it is like those. An AEG would be nice too...if it had a BB spread it would be fantastic! Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 If you load 3 BBs the FPS / BB will go down to 1/3. That leaves you with a gun that shoots 3 BBs at ~120 FPS. For some odd reason I feel it will be a pump shot shotgun. Just look at the forward grip. Erm, that's the Real Steel Saiga. Link to post Share on other sites
Pendra Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 I have to point out that mass is not directly correlated to velocity when equating from a constant energy output. A gun shooting at 1J will send a .20g bb at about 328fps. Tripling the weight to .60g (3 bbs) will send each projectile flying at 188fps. Didn't do the math, stupid me. However, the point is, the FPS would be pretty low. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Didn't do the math, stupid me. However, the point is, the FPS would be pretty low. does it always need to be 450+fps? those speeds anyways you cannot play pretty much anywhere without downgrading things Link to post Share on other sites
MotoSam Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 It had better be multi shot, triple barrel would be best, based around a 3 shot hop unit as in the tm shotties, having looked at the guts of those, it could be done with an aeg, but I won't be getting excited until they confirm its been done properly, single barrel will raise legality issues here with the 1 joule legal limit, so we would be looking at 1/3 of a joule per bb maximum, unless its multi-barrel. Edit: Having looked at the image above, that is a pump system if ever I saw one, rather than one of the semi auto only models. Link to post Share on other sites
Pendra Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 The 3 barrel idea is problematic. The volume of the air inside the cylinder equals to the volume of 600-650mm long inner barrel. So if you add 3 barrels they can be 200mm each, maximum. Otherwise you will have vacum and suckback inside the inner barrels. However, given the nature of the gun, you will not require any kind of accuracy. I think 3 crappy Chinese short alu barrels, cheap .12s, no hopup and double load mech, with a 1.5-1.7J spring is destined to result extreme scattering at like 10-15m. You can send 60 BBs down range in a sec (6BBx10 rps) without any accuracy. Link to post Share on other sites
chownsy Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 The 3 barrel idea is problematic. The volume of the air inside the cylinder equals to the volume of 600-650mm long inner barrel. So if you add 3 barrels they can be 200mm each, maximum. Otherwise you will have vacum and suckback inside the inner barrels. However, given the nature of the gun, you will not require any kind of accuracy. I think 3 crappy Chinese short alu barrels, cheap .12s, no hopup and double load mech, with a 1.5-1.7J spring is destined to result extreme scattering at like 10-15m. You can send 60 BBs down range in a sec (6BBx10 rps) without any accuracy. you say that about the suck back, well PDI's vacumn piston (for snipers) was designed to eliminate that, do the same to the AEG' piston and it would prevent that. thus allowing 3 longer barrels. Link to post Share on other sites
Robinio Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Hey guys, maybe its a GBB or GNB? think about that to, or shell ejecting like some shotguns.., Link to post Share on other sites
chownsy Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Hey guys, maybe its a GBB or GNB? think about that to, or shell ejecting like some shotguns.., if it was Shell ejecting it would be FTW Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 How about semi-auto gas? Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Sorry abou this double-post. the site is doing strange things lately. Link to post Share on other sites
Victory Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 If it's an AEG, I would: -Lower the FPS -Increase the ROF -Add a MOSFET w/Burst Capability -Vic Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 If it's an AEG, I would: -Lower the FPS -Increase the ROF -Add a MOSFET w/Burst Capability -Vic That's actually a very good idea! An AEg shooting 3-round bursts with very high ROF, provided by good internals, FET and maybe a LiPo) could shoot close like a tribarrel shotgun. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJ Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Hmm very intersting, I've been wanting a SAIGA and was wondering when somebody would make one since the AK market is so big. Link to post Share on other sites
chownsy Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 KART is making SAIGA-12 with fixed stock and skeleton stock!!! release date in 2 months, metal body i was too tired to make anything watermarks but these obviously are not the real model pictures but factory gave me these ones!also they plan to make after that GALIL SAR! will be a good year for KART! which one these 2 attached pics are the one by kart if any? if its the all black on, looks AEG like, if its the one in the link then the pistol grip looks far too small to hold a motor Link to post Share on other sites
Jin15 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 If it's an AEG, I would: -Lower the FPS -Increase the ROF -Add a MOSFET w/Burst Capability -Vic A very good idea indeed! I'm hoping it will be semi auto, gas powered, and shell ejecting. But if it is an AEG than that's a brilliant way to make the shotgun effect a bit more appropriate. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 which one these 2 attached pics are the one by kart if any? if its the all black on, looks AEG like, if its the one in the link then the pistol grip looks far too small to hold a motor if you would read what i posted you would notice that i told you its not the REAL pictures from kart model (those are the ones that they gave to me) Link to post Share on other sites
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