Magsz Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Pulled this off of airsoft news. realistic body by appearance and function with realistic disassembly - plastic receiver, strengthened by Fibreglass resin - Metal bolt gives a strong feeling of recoil - new HopUp version Link to post Share on other sites
Spedz Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 I wonder if this could take some AEG Metal bodies with minor mods........ Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 I wonder if this could take some AEG Metal bodies with minor mods........ One could suspect it's made in RS dimensions and not in fattened aeg. But time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites
Spedz Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Indeed. I geuss we can only speculate untill it's actual release. Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Consider the 3rd party support. WA has a lot of good will that goes our way, i.e Sheriff, PGC, etc etc. So what if it's an ABS body, if you can look and see what people have done with their 1911s just imagine what 3rd party support will yield. I'm sure companies like those are gonna love cranking out part after part. I mean look at guarder or G&P, they've made a killing off of M4 body after body, since once the intial CNC program is written with a bit of modification the rewards are really quite huge. Either way, I'm down, I want one really bad. Imagine a realistic M4 that stops firing after the last round, that takes real parts, and is 1:1. (Perhaps a kick in the *albatross* to companies like LA Gun Shop, Systema's PTW, and Escort). OH YEAH!!! Link to post Share on other sites
sturgis Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Pulled this off of airsoft news. realistic body by appearance and function with realistic disassembly - plastic receiver, strengthened by Fibreglass resin - Metal bolt gives a strong feeling of recoil - new HopUp version the latest: I have info that they have used the MGC model gun mold for the upper and lower receiver. And maybe some other small parts. Release is said to be beofre christmas, but dont wait it until january or feburary Link to post Share on other sites
Spedz Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Consider the 3rd party support. WA has a lot of good will that goes our way, i.e Sheriff, PGC, etc etc. So what if it's an ABS body, if you can look and see what people have done with their 1911s just imagine what 3rd party support will yield. I'm sure companies like those are gonna love cranking out part after part. Agreed. However I want to see also if a 3rd party, can change it from Full Auto to Burst. Like Some company did with the Auto 9 (Ksc) Link to post Share on other sites
Malo Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 I wonder if we'll se some taiwan company spit out a metal clone of the M4 with co2 mags. Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker2 Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 This, aside from the dboy AKS74 with Modern foregrips, is definitely on my list. Until I know the price, I'll more likely being leaning toward the dboy AK AEG. And since this is plastic, price may not be that high. Although I've been told WA pistols are the most expensive and they are plastic. This saddens me... Link to post Share on other sites
Mofomilitia Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Consider the 3rd party support. WA has a lot of good will that goes our way, i.e Sheriff, PGC, etc etc. So what if it's an ABS body, if you can look and see what people have done with their 1911s just imagine what 3rd party support will yield. I'm sure companies like those are gonna love cranking out part after part. I mean look at guarder or G&P, they've made a killing off of M4 body after body, since once the intial CNC program is written with a bit of modification the rewards are really quite huge. Either way, I'm down, I want one really bad. Imagine a realistic M4 that stops firing after the last round, that takes real parts, and is 1:1. (Perhaps a kick in the *albatross* to companies like LA Gun Shop, Systema's PTW, and Escort). OH YEAH!!! lets see... PGC slide for pistol... $150... metal body which is 10x material for pistol... $1500!??? Well not really, but my point is i dont think adequate aftermarket support will be there unless it takes Marui compatable mags, hop ups, inner barrels, outer barrels, and maybe recievers. If it can do all that than its on my list, otherwise i dont think it'll appeal to skirmishers. Link to post Share on other sites
JohnK Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Mofomilitia, I agree with you about the likely lack of support compared to their pistols. However to assume that a metal slide costs $150 due to material costs and hence a metal body will cost 10x (or similar) due to materials is totally incorrect. The cost of the cheap monkey pot metal they usually use (and even when using better quality materials) is largely irrelevant. It's the tooling costs and other costs incurred by manufacturing techniques that by far account for the seemingly high costs of these products. The fact that these are made in relatively small numbers doesn't help either. Anyhoo, I'm getting well off topic! This gun looks amazing but WA have a pretty bad reputation with full auto GBBs - I'm thinking of the Mac 11 and the Uzi although the Prokiller wasn't all bad... KSC has a much better reputation with FA guns - proved by the fact that they still make & sell them (and they're cloned!). Good luck WA these look cool! (and hopefully TM and/or KSC may join the recent trend and really show us how its done! John Edit: Tidying up. Link to post Share on other sites
user7 Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 several have mentioned that they want the m4 to take aeg compatible mags, but I'm going to throw my vote down and hope it won't be aeg mag compatible. to use aeg mags means that the gun would lose the stop-when-there's-no-more-bbs function that is hallmark on gbb guns. It would also won't be cool where every time a mag is changed; 2-3 bbs drop out from the gun. my only reservation is that I'm hoping the price won't be "gigant" in size. Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 That is just a matter of expertize. Sun Project M16 (which takes aeg mags) can be modified to have bolt stop. Gas in the mag just will not usually be enough to effectively power a FA GBB. It can cycle the whole mag trough but likely very inconsistently to the end. GBB which takes cheap mags of new design (plastic to get keep them available) or aeg mags and external gas, thats the thing to mourn after. To those who wouldn't care for the hose could have tank in the stock. With a proper expansion chamber it could be adequate. Link to post Share on other sites
r.ocelot Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 I'm guessing that you never shot a KWA G18c? Or more relevant, a WA Prokiller MKII? Those can do 30 on full auto, easy. No cool down effect till the 15th round after you refill the mag with BBs. Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Not a prokiller but pretty much every FA gbb there is. Didn't I say usually and very likely. Try regulated external gas fed guns and come back. Link to post Share on other sites
r.ocelot Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 True, external gas offer better performance, but just because something has gas in the mag doesn't mean that it won't cycle through the last few rounds consistently. If the prokiller can do it with a 160-ish gram slide, I think the M4 can do it with a bolt that probably weighs less than that, and a larger gas reservoir Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 I have a couple of KWC Non-blowback AR-15s they made ages ago. A shorter age ago they announced that they were working on a GBB Mini UZI as well as GBB AR-15 series. The Mini UZI was released (and re-released by WA), but we heard nothing of the AR-15s. Could this be related to the KWC project we thought was abandoned already? -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
BaBaBooey Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 If anyone cares, WA supposedly has the demo version of the M4 in their Shibuya store. I'll try to stop by and get more details (pics if they let me). I think I heard the pistols come out 11/08. Link to post Share on other sites
Clockwork_O Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 If anyone cares, WA supposedly has the demo version of the M4 in their Shibuya store. I'll try to stop by and get more details (pics if they let me). I think I heard the pistols come out 11/08. That would be very nice if you could make some pics of the m4. If you are allowed can you make some pics of the new pistols too? Certainly give us your opinion about the new WA products and certainly about their m4. Greetings Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 There were some pics of the mags in ARMS magazine. Definitely gas in the mag. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
IronWolf Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Here are pics from said ARMS magazine: click here (RedWolf) Link to post Share on other sites
r.ocelot Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Awesome! Looks like that thing on the back of the mag will lock back something on the last round. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted November 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Is it me or does it appear that the bolt carrier has full travel? Link to post Share on other sites
wolfstein5 Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 I'd dig a GBB M4 with gas in the mag, even if the efficiency was 'meh'. Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 I wonder how price will compare to the Koba? Looks really cool. Link to post Share on other sites
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