whosloosin92 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 First off, WOW there have been a ton of posts since I last posted. I'll try to address as many as I can. Don't know if people here have confirmed it but it seems the SCAR uses the V-hop design. Confirmed. The WE Scar's hop up is a V-hop. Two distinct "fingers" protruding into the barrel rather than the conventional solid nub. .25s fly great like another user said with the hop up nearly all the way down. I don't have .2s on hand to try. Compared to Escort/Daytonagun GBBs the Scar, at least mine, puts them to shame. The TSC adjustable system will NOT FIT. The nozzles are the same and the valves are the same but you see that looooong blue stem off the back of it? That's maybe an inch on the Scar. On the origins of the gun and build quality: I believe it was stated in this very thread that WETTI has designed and manufactured every part themselves. This was stated by WE themselves. This is certainly NOT a Dboys scar. The build quality is superb. I can only compare the feel to an Asahi Bushmaster. No the Bushmaster is not an Armalite its a gun that is somewhat similar to an L86 but actually made up by Asahi. The entire Bushmaster is made of one solid sheet of stamped steel. The stock: is being replaced by Evike. No hassle so far, after seeing my post on another forum they PMed me minutes later requesting my order number and informing me that a new stock and trigger group would be sent out ASAP. It would be very possible to put a thin sheet of steel inside between the base of the spring guide and the stop to disperse the impact. The weak point here is JUST above the spring guide base, actually right on the top edge. The plastic there is thinner than on the center of the stock and if you own a Scar it's not hard to see why that had to be done. A thin steal plate would ensure that no stress can be directed right on that point where the plastic is thinner. The flashhider: is reportedly clockwise. It looks to be fastened with red locktite or glue. I have tried putting a screw driver threw the flash hider to get my leverage to twist it off but I will not use the amount of force necessary to do so. It's not worth the risk to me. My mag: does not have the bolt stop nub. It must have been missed on the assembly line. It's completely gone. I'll look for a replacement. No it's not just the switch being in the wrong position. I tried taking it apart but it is fit very snuggly into the shell and i only slid it out far enough to confirm that this part is absent. I will try taking the mag apart more later to see if the sealing ring is seated correctly. My thoughts still? If i had a choice between the well above $1k Daytonagun AK I used to own and this Scar even with the problems I have encountered I wouldn't think twice. I'd snatch up the scar in a heartbeat. Edit: The bolt carrier is steel. For those who might be curious... Link to post Share on other sites
DamnLion Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 First off, WOW there have been a ton of posts since I last posted. I'll try to address as many as I can. Confirmed. The WE Scar's hop up is a V-hop. Two distinct "fingers" protruding into the barrel rather than the conventional solid nub. .25s fly great like another user said with the hop up nearly all the way down. I don't have .2s on hand to try. Compared to Escort/Daytonagun GBBs the Scar, at least mine, puts them to shame. The TSC adjustable system will NOT FIT. The nozzles are the same and the valves are the same but you see that looooong blue stem off the back of it? That's maybe an inch on the Scar. On the origins of the gun and build quality: I believe it was stated in this very thread that WETTI has designed and manufactured every part themselves. This was stated by WE themselves. This is certainly NOT a Dboys scar. The build quality is superb. I can only compare the feel to an Asahi Bushmaster. No the Bushmaster is not an Armalite its a gun that is somewhat similar to an L86 but actually made up by Asahi. The entire Bushmaster is made of one solid sheet of stamped steel. The stock: is being replaced by Evike. No hassle so far, after seeing my post on another forum they PMed me minutes later requesting my order number and informing me that a new stock and trigger group would be sent out ASAP. It would be very possible to put a thin sheet of steel inside between the base of the spring guide and the stop to disperse the impact. The weak point here is JUST above the spring guide base, actually right on the top edge. The plastic there is thinner than on the center of the stock and if you own a Scar it's not hard to see why that had to be done. A thin steal plate would ensure that no stress can be directed right on that point where the plastic is thinner. The flashhider: is reportedly clockwise. It looks to be fastened with red locktite or glue. I have tried putting a screw driver threw the flash hider to get my leverage to twist it off but I will not use the amount of force necessary to do so. It's not worth the risk to me. My mag: does not have the bolt stop nub. It must have been missed on the assembly line. It's completely gone. I'll look for a replacement. No it's not just the switch being in the wrong position. I tried taking it apart but it is fit very snuggly into the shell and i only slid it out far enough to confirm that this part is absent. I will try taking the mag apart more later to see if the sealing ring is seated correctly. My thoughts still? If i had a choice between the well above $1k Daytonagun AK I used to own and this Scar even with the problems I have encountered I wouldn't think twice. I'd snatch up the scar in a heartbeat. Edit: The bolt carrier is steel. For those who might be curious... That about sums up all of my experiences and thoughts, minus the bolt catch nub.. that's just plain weird. Link to post Share on other sites
frankensteiner Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Hey everyone so i think most people have seen the short review video I made about the WE SCAR breaking on me the first day. This sure has created more controversy then I thought it would! So first of all a lot of people have said the break happened due to abuse let me guarantee it is not the case. For the short time I had this gun it was seriously the best thing I have ever bought! It was pure awesomeness. Anyways, I just wanted to post to respond to a lot of the criticism i have received on my short blurb about the SCAR. 1. It was never dropped!!!! OR Abused the gun is still spotless, besides the part 2. Now in review I think the frame that was on mine was just a one in a million break due to a lemon part. Not due to anything with the CO2 3. It was a great great great! gun before it broke! 4. The gun was solid the whole time I used, it defiantly doesn't feel cheap. I just think that maybe the same solid construction could have been extended to a part that does receive some stress, just my quick opinion, my only complaint on the whole gun! I recorded it right after it happened and just wanted to tell what happened to me. I'm not out to give WE Tech a bad name or anything, as it has come apparent some believe that I am! Link to post Share on other sites
whosloosin92 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Another quick note. The crack is greatly stressed when the stock is folded. Not when shooting, just folded. It spreads apart quite a bit. When the stock is extended only twisting the stock appears to effect the crack. No amount of horizontal or vertical pressure seems to move it. Link to post Share on other sites
DWells55 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 How hard would it be for companies to give samples of the guns to staff or other reliable people and say "here, it's yours for free if you go to x amount of games and use it for every game then let us inspect it afterwards"? The best way to know how something is going to hold up in real world usage is to test it with, you guessed it, real world usage. One airsoft game alone probably puts a gun through more punishment than all the internal testing does. Link to post Share on other sites
TrooperX Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 The TSC adjustable system will NOT FIT. The nozzles are the same and the valves are the same but you see that looooong blue stem off the back of it? That's maybe an inch on the Scar. Fair enough - I read this and made an assumption... post #24 by WETTI on this page - http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...68755&st=20 The system is basically the same as our M4's & it's already the most updated CO2/green gas version. The hop up is the same Gen 2 set up. The rest of the mechanical stuffs are all beefed up, as with our latest M4's. Link to post Share on other sites
whosloosin92 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 That would be a reasonable assumption. It is exactly the same except for that long blue thing off the back. Link to post Share on other sites
Eraser Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Hi, This is my first post on this forum. I Would like to buy the WE Scar-L. I have search in a lot of online shop. My question is, Knows someone the shop called "Monda International"? I have contact their for the price with shipping costs to Italy and it is cheap for me but without know the shop I don't trust much...so Can someone tell me some informations about their? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
Destro Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 My SCAR came last week, I have so far put 18 mags through mine without any major issues (no stock crack- I double checked). Mine has developed a minor tweak, but I'm sure it will prove to be a simple fix. My shots were stable and true out to about 200' and then slight overhop before dropping back down. I attempted to adjust the hopup again and due to not knowing which way was up or down on the hopup (nothing in the user manual about which way to turn the dial), I experimented. After adjusting my bbs would overhop quickly going into orbit after about 100' or so. So I turn the dial back the other way- bbs are nice and level flight now, but have taken on a moderate right hook after about 100-120'. I believe my V hopup may only be working on one side. I will attempt to lube the barrel with generous amounts of lube and readjust. If that doesn't work I will be taking the hopup unit apart to investigate. Before the hopup issue it was amazingly accurate- I was able to hit my 4" diameter light post (my normal front yard target) about 33% of the time at ~75 feet (my front porch - yes I live out in the country and across the road from my house is a cornfield). That is more accurate that all but one of my AEGs, and that AEG has a PSG1 650mm tightbore in it (it is an RPK). So far I am very well pleased with my purchase, spent a good amount of time on Sunday loading my one working mag and dumping bbs through it. I am able to get ~75 shots out of a single charge of propane on semi-auto. Locking bolt has worked fine on both mags as well (although my second mag, a gray M4 mag, leaks so quick I can only get about 6-10 shots off before empty). Leaky mag has been re-sealed several times with different methods, still can't get it to hold gas from the rear main seal. It is currently drying on my last attempt, if this doesn't work then I don't know what to try. So far to fix the leaky mag I have tried: 1) Lube with silicone oil and re-assemble. Leaked so fast you couldn't even hold any gas 2) Lube with white lithium grease. Same result as above, may have leaked out a tiny bit slower, but still too quick to even put in gun. 3) Seal with rubber cement (all I had besides the above). Dry time 6 hours. Held gas long enough to get a few shots off, but would leak as long as there was liquid propane in mag. Would stop leaking if you held it upside down. 4) Currently drying- I bought blue RTV gasket maker (engine gasket maker, pressure rated). I sealed it up last night so by the time I get home from work it will have set for almost 20 hours. This is a spare mag I ordered from Evike. The SCAR propane mag has functioned flawlessly. No issues at all to report. Link to post Share on other sites
M1abrams Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Just wanted to quickly chime in here, my SCAR came in today. After two magazines the stock cracked, so its out of service until I can get a reinforced replacement part. Until then its a really expensive wall hanger. But besides that one part of the stock being utter rubbish. I love my gun, serial # 0000024, so its one of the first 100 ever made. I like my gun having that distinction actually Everything else on the gun works just like it should. Evike sent me two tan Co2 mags and both worked great, with one having a very minor leak that dissapeared after the first shot. Got roughly 45 to 50 rounds out of each magazines (Before the stock broke) I've got a short video on youtube, and some pics on ASR for those interested. Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Moar pics!!! Eat it Evikers - FNH trades. Orange hasn't all been removed , probably will have to repaint the front sight post aluminum. Otherwise I LOVE the finish. And yes, I got rid of the stupid orange flash hider and replaced it with a TM P90 one . As for the stock pic: SCAR stocks work like a teeth mechanism. A metal plate with one tooth on it is attached to the stock hinge (shown left in below pictures) while the stock itself has a 6-tooth similar mechanism. To adjust the stock you push the button down, which pushes the 6-tooth backward, allowing the metal tooth to slide back and forth to lock the stock in the positions. The issue with mine was that besides at positions 1 and 6, the stock would easily lose its lock say, if it was on 3, I'd push it with a shove with my palm and it'd go back to 6. I found that taking apart the stock (take off the buttplate rubber, then fold the stock and take off the allen screw - slide the stock off) and bending that small metal plate towards the 6-tooth plate made the locking MUCH better. Of course, if you bend it too far, you won't be able to adjust the stock anymore. Some pics of the interior - sorry they're REALLY bad, but you can see the teeth a bit. Overall VERY NICE build quality, did complain about RSOV's huge orange spotch. Otherwise a very nice job by WE. The folding stock issue was the only thing that really bothered me, otherwise did a nice clean and relube (awaiting a propane adapter so I can SHOOT THIS THING ) Link to post Share on other sites
Victory Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Eat it Evikers - FNH trades. Yeah, trades would be nice, but I think I'll go the AEX route. -Vic Link to post Share on other sites
BrooklynBorn Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Just wanted to quickly chime in here, my SCAR came in today. After two magazines the stock cracked, so its out of service until I can get a reinforced replacement part. Until then its a really expensive wall hanger. But besides that one part of the stock being utter rubbish. I love my gun, serial # 0000024, so its one of the first 100 ever made. I like my gun having that distinction actually Everything else on the gun works just like it should. Evike sent me two tan Co2 mags and both worked great, with one having a very minor leak that dissapeared after the first shot. Got roughly 45 to 50 rounds out of each magazines (Before the stock broke) I've got a short video on youtube, and some pics on ASR for those interested. They sent you a spare CO2 mag? I clled and they told me I'd be getting a spare propane mag, even though I ordered the CO2 version. I pre-ordered mine, so I got it early, and they didn;t have spare mags in stock then, so I guess I'll have to wait. Link to post Share on other sites
tacblue Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Ha! AznRip, you have the same serial number as me! Only no FN markings on mine... Ah well... AND, it has the exact same stock issue! Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Same serial number? Epic fail! lol Mine's just came today. A day before it was supposed to. Nothing's broken, everything's fine. And I can't stress enough how rigid this beast feels! Quality is amazing. I haven't shot it yet though... And yea, the color is really dark earth color, not the bright glittery gold color you see in the images. Its like the SCAR in my avatar being eaten by that bald dude and NOT like the one in my sig at the bottom. --------- BTW I got serial number 0000010!!! Top 10 baby! lol. Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Wait tacblue, you have 140 as well? 0_0 *hates WE* Vic is AEX similar to Evike's way? Link to post Share on other sites
BrooklynBorn Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Wait tacblue, you have 140 as well? 0_0 *hates WE* Vic is AEX similar to Evike's way? Maybe they have individual serial numbers, on each version. Traded, and plain. *crosses fingers* Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Hope not...then it's not unique . Don't know about people who got theirs at Evike, but mine came with a CCW threading - some have been seeing a CW thread. Anyone here have that issue as well? Link to post Share on other sites
cougarkiller Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 My Question is, what is the difference between the regular version and the c02 Version. Now i read this forum top to bottom and i am new to gas guns but what from the reading ive gathered this. please tell me if im right. No matter what version u get it will work with both green gas/ and co2 mags. The only difference is that if you choice the c02 version you will get a c02 mag with the gun and not a green gas one. Second questions. The c02 magazine take the co2 bottles. The Green gas mags will take green gas/propane with an adaptor. But if you use propane u need to use add silcone to lube the mags. Sorry for the dumb question.. im just trying to spell it out for people who r knew to gas guns like me. I'm an AEG owner. - ian Link to post Share on other sites
smokenghosts Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 (Question 1) Correct, they are the same with different magazines. (Question 2) Green gas is propane with silicone lube, so if you use propane, just lube it yourself. Technically you don't have too, but it will make your magazines last longer. Link to post Share on other sites
Optomis Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Ugh! Gosh! WE, please fix the broken stock issues! I'd happily snap one of these up and compare it externally to my VFC if only I knew my stock was not going to snap off in 5 magazines........ Link to post Share on other sites
cougarkiller Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 thanks smokenghosts for answer my question - ian Link to post Share on other sites
Cobbcore11 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I've shot 10 mags through mine without any problems or wear on the stock-lets hope it stays that way . Link to post Share on other sites
Spartan452 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 these stock snapping problems come from only the CO2 version? Link to post Share on other sites
cougarkiller Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 i just ordered the black scar c02 version and bought 4 green gas clips.! Can't wait!!! Link to post Share on other sites
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