frogfish Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I have the one made with rhino hide fabric, I love it and ware it everywhere, I get comments on it constantly too, just like I do with all my TAD jackets, to bad I'm not in good enough shape to do the cut true justice, but they are very slimming. I've heard the cut is the same on the EBB replica but the fabric is junk, although it looks like he has a newer version from the one I saw so it may be better. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Sometimes I wish I had the rhino hide version as they feel more substantial to me which I really like and prefer over the feel of the Sharkskin material, but the latter makes more sense for me in SoCal. Link to post Share on other sites
Chimpy Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 There's also the point that the instructors are in part clothes horses particularly if their parent company has the clout to get free stuff from other companies. Without a doubt in the AOTC2 and a lesser extent AOTC the clothing they wear is chosen for them (unless they like going around dressing identically!). I don't know if this carries through to their classes but you've got to think even the sleepiest marketing guy can see the benefit of having them wear the gear they are trying to sell. It's not like it happens in the movies or any more mainstream activities. Oh yeah and I freaking love my Stealth but that doesn't stop me oogling the Arc'teryx soft-shell! Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 There's also the point that the instructors are in part clothes horses particularly if their parent company has the clout to get free stuff from other companies. Without a doubt in the AOTC2 and a lesser extent AOTC the clothing they wear is chosen for them (unless they like going around dressing identically!). I don't know if this carries through to their classes but you've got to think even the sleepiest marketing guy can see the benefit of having them wear the gear they are trying to sell. I interpreted it more as a uniform of sorts and branding. You want the instructors easily identifiable during class. Pretty much 90% of any industry specific class I've attended has had the instructors wear the same shirts at least. As for branding, it makes sense from a marketing standpoint. The more things you see with the Magpul logo on it the more you're going to internalize the logo into your subconsciousness. Pretty smart actually. It's very likely they get a LOT of samples from manufacturers and never go wanting, but with that much choice out there I doubt they're the kind of guys that'd use garbage merchandise just for the hell of it. It's not like they're sponsored like a race car driver. Link to post Share on other sites
Chimpy Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 It does have analogies with various sports though were the sponsorship is less formalised. It's just good marketing on the part of the companies supplying the samples. If it's good *suitcase* (which those LEAF jackets are) then they stand a chance of Chris or one of the other instructors wearing it. Then people that turn up at the classes or watch the DVDs will go 'cool jacket looks nice and functional I want one!' Like you say it's simple marketing. Link to post Share on other sites
Robinio Posted October 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I asked becuase I don't have a good thin jacket for my persnoal life like outdoor activity. I liked it because it looked cool. I'm so NOT in the fashion thing, I'm probably the only one who goes in school with a brown leather ww2 pilot like jacket and OD pants from the 60s. Need some new tactical clothes, thats all. And I do NOT prefer going for that gay/brat clothing, since I'm a more of a military man... EDIT: I do like his beard, so I'll probably try to grow one later... Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 When it comes down to it, us airsofters love to imitate the badas5's most of us are not. I've seen people with snake loadouts, i myself wear skull and crossbone patches and paint things like 'On/Off/Oh F*ck!' to replace the 'safe/semi/auto' on my weapons - I'm perfectly comfortable with the fact i'm living out a fantasy i'm never going to actually achieve, because unlike the guys here in the actual forces, i don't have the balls to fight a real war... (no airsoft pun intended). I'm into the sport because it's like playing call of duty 4 in real life, and it's something i have a great interest in - I'd love to eventually be an armourer or a gunsmith if possible, but i'm not the kind of person to put myself into a real combat situation. A lot of airsofting is really all about imitation - i joke about the whole imitation thing, but i don't hold it against people. Chris Costa is clearly someone people want to imitate, and it does noone any harm... People do the same with many other characters, both real or fictional. Summed up, here's my 2p: Imitation of real life/fictional heroes + Airsoft = Comedy + Cool looking loadouts. *edit* - Just to keep it on track - It's a pretty darn nice jacket, but i have no need to pay that much money for a jacket. Part of me secretly wishes i did though.. Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 You're a moron if you think that Magpul is THAT commercialized. Seriously, Chris IS given free schwag but that hardly weighs in on his decision as to what pair of underwear hes going to put on for Dynamic Carbine 1... Get over yourselves, christ people, this is getting stupid. Chris=nothing more than a human with an amazing library of skills. He is NOT a commercialized Nike style stool pigeon. Link to post Share on other sites
somegirls Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I agree. When you see the DVDs and you'r out in the market for a new jacket, what's wrong asking about the jackets the magpul guys are wearing? It's a safe bet that if those guys wear a certain piece of gear, it's good merchandise. I think Costa and Haley earned a really good rep. for some reason, not just for being shooting moviestars with fancy sand-colored rifles and cool shades. I'm no shooter myself so that's just the impression I got. Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Oh boy, wish i'd kept quiet know and the hangover is a killer! Link to post Share on other sites
somegirls Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 yeah never post drunk dude, it's a "can of worms" magnet Link to post Share on other sites
Chimpy Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 You're a moron if you think that Magpul is THAT commercialized. So they just happen to wear identical clothing in AOTC2 by chance. Granted I'm not saying they are that commercialised in this sense. Or that they are organising sponsorship or anything close to it but there is a reason he gets tonnes of cool swag chucked at him where as you and I don't. It's precisely his library of skills and apt demonstration of them in public both on screen and at training events that gets him/them it. Commercial sponsorship is pretty much the same deal apart from 'here have these cool jackets to try out' it's 'we'll pay you to wear our cool jackets exclusively'. The reason people want the same golf clubs or shoes as Tiger Woods is because he's a good golfer. If you happen to make golf shoes or clubs having them used by a famous person at the top of their game is good marketing sense. Like it or not the Magpul guys upped the bar massively in terms of training DVDs and have in a small sector become celebrities. All that is a long winded explanation of why peeps want to know the colour of their undercrackers. 'somegirls' above summed the phenomenon up from a consumer perspective perfectly. No need to get butt hurt because you think I'm accusing people of being commercial sellouts. That's the last thing I'm doing so apologies if you thought I was insulting anyone. Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 You're making assumptions based on...reed thin inferences. In part, you're correct in that they do get free schwag but thats where the line stops. Ive personally seen Chris flat out not recommend a certain piece of gear despite the fact that HES currently using it. I doubt most commercial shills do that type of thing. All that im saying is that way too many people put these guys in a league they do not belong in. The over commercialization of the shooting sports is a whole 'nother can of worms that we could spend hours discussing. Personally, i would prefer if the tactical training and competition shooting circles never attain the level of pro football or other huge organized sports. PS, the Marine Corps wears the same clothes, i guess they're sponsored by Propper right?!?! "US Marines, working every day to make Marpat cool". Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Seriously, Chris IS given free schwag but that hardly weighs in on his decision as to what pair of underwear hes going to put on for Dynamic Carbine 1... To Magsz point, someone joked in our class that Chris and Travis get all their gear for free, Chris' honest response was that "we T&E a lot of guns for free, but the gear we own we end up buying, on our own dime, if we end up liking the stuff we're asked to try out. And we're brutally honest about the stuff we dislike." Link to post Share on other sites
Chimpy Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Ive personally seen Chris flat out not recommend a certain piece of gear despite the fact that HES currently using it. I doubt most commercial shills do that type of thing. Sure, but I'm explaining from a commercial point of view why these things happen. I'm not saying the Magpul guys in particular are just being clothes horses but that it's a result of the way these things are that they are viewed in that way. Nor am I saying they are commercial shills. All that im saying is that way too many people put these guys in a league they do not belong in. The over commercialization of the shooting sports is a whole 'nother can of worms that we could spend hours discussing. Personally, i would prefer if the tactical training and competition shooting circles never attain the level of pro football or other huge organized sports. It's all a bit meh really and depends on the size of the sport and how much individuals are recognised within it. 'Celeb' parties and events are a bit like this as well. They give out bags of cool schwag in the hopes that some minor celebs will wear it about. PS, the Marine Corps wears the same clothes, i guess they're sponsored by Propper right?!?! "US Marines, working every day to make Marpat cool". Yeah cause they're exactly the same thing. BTW it's not working to make anything cool, it's making it cool by association, so you need to be considered cool in the first place for it to work. Link to post Share on other sites
Robinio Posted October 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Anyway it was too pricey, I've orderd another jacket in khaki. Link to post Share on other sites
Chimpy Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Yeah I guess that was quite the retarded discussion reading it back. Sorry for interrupting your thread. What jacket did you get in the end? Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I asked becuase I don't have a good thin jacket for my persnoal life like outdoor activity. I liked it because it looked cool. I'm so NOT in the fashion thing, I'm probably the only one who goes in school with a brown leather ww2 pilot like jacket and OD pants from the 60s. Need some new tactical clothes, thats all. And I do NOT prefer going for that gay/brat clothing, since I'm a more of a military man... EDIT: I do like his beard, so I'll probably try to grow one later... I knew you were after that, I wasn't trying to call you specifically a poser, I was after a different group who I don't even think has been involved in this discussion. If you know you are playing dress up like someone else that's cool by me, I have just had some issues lately with people who play dress up and think that makes them HSLD MoFos. Oh boy, wish i'd kept quiet know and the hangover is a killer! Yeah don't post after getting ###### off at life either... apparently you end up saying to much too. Four hours of grading papers from freshman university students followed by reading "scientific" articles that are full of more *suitcase* than my colon, it's a lovely life. Link to post Share on other sites
Robinio Posted October 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Don't know nothing special I think. More specific it's called "T&P Trekking TP-X" Found it in an outdoor catalogue... Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Saying Arcteryx is expensive is laughable until you see their new line http://veilance.arcteryx.com/Product.aspx Im sorry i dont even think baby tears are worth that much Link to post Share on other sites
Wayneard3413 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Yeah 175 bucks for a t shirt... Not even looking at softshells They have lost their friggin minds Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Foxhound Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Hopefully Costa and co told them those prices are a little ridiculous. Screw that, just by a old M65. Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Aww you should have looked at the field coat Wayneard it was only $1k lol Link to post Share on other sites
Jungle_Spectre Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 EB sells even replica polos. I guess they will soon offer embroidering your name on the back of the collar. When will we see airsofters taking off half their molle pouches from their vests, ala the Magpul pair? Link to post Share on other sites
ruertar Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 EB sells even replica polos. I guess they will soon offer embroidering your name on the back of the collar. Good grief. When will we see airsofters taking off half their molle pouches from their vests, ala the Magpul pair? Lets hope so! Eric Raymond says that if you want to be a great "hacker" (programmer) you should emulate great hackers -- do what they do. I think that can be extended to other disciplines including shooting. In this regard, I believe there is value in emulating Chris or Travis or Larry Vickers or Pat Rogers or whoever you look up to. It is a matter of reasoning and degree. I think the right reason is to become better at whatever your idol happens to be good at. In this case, shooting. I think an appropriate degree is to the extent that what you do is useful and improves your life in some way. I believe it becomes a problem when we do it merely take on the appearance of their idols -- for fashion. It becomes playing "dress up". Link to post Share on other sites
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