TAG 40mm launchable grenades and more available for international players

[Nickona]

Does Russia even have a word for safety?

 

Haha nope!

[PMO Gordo]

Official safety video from Airsoft Pyrotechnics: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=731336723596644&set=vb.623840967679554&type=2&theater

 

Reviews from players:

http://youtu.be/DBqZ4-8Qq28

http://youtu.be/0woj-wFzAwU

http://youtu.be/nHK8m-Gcz5E

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=700350793361904&set=vb.623840967679554&type=2&theater

[Tw1tch]

Hmm. Stupid laptop won't buffer the video.

[hitmanNo2]

Those hand grenades look awesome.  Illegal over here I presume?

[Stuey]

Don't see why they would be, we already have pyro grenades?

[Roland1014]

I would like a VOG variant.

[PMO Gordo]

I would like a VOG variant.

 

If you are referring to grenade launchers for AKs, you can use King Arms GP-30, which is modified to accept 40mm shells: http://www.evike.com/products/24893/

Here's someone's AK grenadier loadout:

[Roland1014]

Nyet. Ones compatible with the DBoys style but using the V2 TAG system that would fit in the Russian VOG pouches.

 

Why all of this R&D for a shell compatible with only one launcher?

 

Because then we can have 6G30!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x__YiwYdXH8

[Lancaster]

Got my hands on GT grenades (impact white ones) today!

 

Tomorrow we have a big game with vehicles and other stuff - will see if they are more efficient against tanks

[blobface]

"Section 5(1)(ae) covers any rocket launcher, or any mortar, for projecting a stabilised missile, other than a launcher or mortar designed for line-throwing or pyrotechnic purposes or as a signalling apparatus."

 

Hang on, I kept assuming it was illegal in the UK, but increasingly I'm hearing rumours of people managing to get them over, or stories of customs letting them through, and more recently, one of the UK shops getting their first shipment of the TAG reapers pyro, reading the firearm act quoted above properly now, it says an item would be categorised under Section 5 firearm if it is rocket launcher / mortar for projecting a stabilised missile that is not designed for pyrotechnic / signalling / line-throwing purposes. Since airsoft pyros are pyrotechnics (I assume), does that mean it is actually okay? 

 

As far as I can tell, so far all talks of this being legal / illegal are just personal interpretation instead of from recorded cases / sources beyond what everyone has access to on the internet. Does anyone know how one should approach this sensibly? Solicitor specialising in UK firearm laws? 

[Stuey]

Yeah I read it again a few weeks ago and spitballed on here that we might able to argue that they're for pyrotechnic purposes. They're no different from a Mk.5 really, except probably less powerful. Certainly we use them for spectacle and indication of game mechanics, rather than actually needing the explosive force.

[Skarclaw]

I wonder if these guys would be of any help? http://www.pyro.org.uk/ 

 

I'd be very excited if this was the case.. and poorer.

[scorch]

Sweet jesus, this could go either epic win or catastrophic fail.

[blobface]

Ummm, the future is looking less dim now, for some reason the second we saw it we all immediately assumed it's illegal.

 

I do feel that whoever we approach, they need to have our interests in mind, because it's easy for the British Pyrotechnists Association guys to look at these Russian products, see how they are designed to be fired in the direction of humans (even if proven safe), then to just write them off as being unsafe and not help us (because in their world, you just don't fire things at people like that), and like Scorch pointed out simply, whatever first move someone makes to attempt to make it official, could dictate the status of the product forever, this has to be done carefully, somehow. 

 

*there's also the point Mike stated earlier, all pyros would need the be CE marked, could anyone verify if TAG has that? probably unlikely. Perhaps someone like tlsfx would know more on these subjects? After all, they have made their own UK legal (I presume) airsoft mortars. 

[PMO Gordo]

Hmm... I'm not sure if British Pyrotechnists Association is a kind of union. The union guys tend to be protective of their own interests, and inhibit any kinds of innovation. They may not be the right people to go to.

 

This reminds me of one of my threads a while ago. I was trying to get my hands on published safety standards for Airsoft by American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM), because I was interested in finding out what methodology they used in determining safety. However, an Airsoft player in the committee told me that the committee was a front. The committee was controlled by the manufacturers who simply want to push the specs of their products on others, and the standards were not based on science. Also, the ASTM is a private organization, and their publications are likely biased due to financial reasons. The guy in the committee walked off the committee in disgust. http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50356

[Lancaster]

Today they have PCT written - thats Russian certificate of conformity logo and EAC - have no idea what it stands for...

 

 

[Tw1tch]

Very excited to hear another retailer is stocking them. Waiting to hear back on whether they have smoke.

[Lancaster]

some fun on a game

 

[blobface]

Right, so for the record, what Airsoftworld had done is that they do stock the nades, sell the dummy and powder rounds, but the flashbang yellow versions are only available to Military and LE, I've emailed them on its status but there's no response. 

[Tw1tch]

Aye, I emailed them on Sunday and still waiting to hear back from them.

To be honest, the powder ones should be fine for using against vehicles (obviously only at games that allow shooting against vehicles).

[PMO Gordo]

Aye, I emailed them on Sunday and still waiting to hear back from them.

 

To be honest, the powder ones should be fine for using against vehicles (obviously only at games that allow shooting against vehicles).

 

It won't damage vehicles. I used my P.M.O.G. projectiles on my own car, and they didn't cause any damage. I believe they are good test surrogates for TAG projectiles, as they have similar weight (32 g vs. 28 g) and were launched at similar velocity (155 fps vs. 144 fps)

[Tw1tch]

Oh, I wasn't suggesting they will damage vehicles but some games don't allow vehicles to be engaged (presumably for the safety of drivers and passengers as I imagine it could be quite distracting if not dangerous in itself).

 

Would love the pyro and smokes to be available to the civilian market (grenadier loadout ftw) but will have to wait and see.

[blobface]

I believe they are good test surrogates for TAG projectiles

Nice tests, thanks. 

[jammie654]

These look pretty cool!

[Skarclaw]

Any thoughts on how you would integrate powder shells into a game? would require marshall supervision I'd expect