BigAl Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 The best bit is these "Cybergun Glocks " will probably have worse trades on them than any other airsoft Glock! Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 The best bit is these "Cybergun Glocks " will probably have worse trades on them than any other airsoft Glock!6mm, and this is a toy *suitcase*. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 I am amazed by how they are literally 20 (30?) years late to the game.. there are so many Glock clones out there that even Tokyo Marui won't know who to sue, and Glock / Cybergunk comes in and think they're relevant... Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 So they would be used for force on force training? I really can't see the police messing around with airsoft guns. I appreciate they're a lot cheaper than Simmunition but I would have thought they'd want to train as close as possible to RL. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted October 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 So they would be used for force on force training? I really can't see the police messing around with airsoft guns. I appreciate they're a lot cheaper than Simmunition but I would have thought they'd want to train as close as possible to RL. You answered your own contradicting questions Airsoft is used for training purposes as because you say it is a lot cheaper than simunition but still close enough to the real thing. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 What's that saying? 'Close enough for government work' ha ha Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 2 points for guessing whether they would sue you for making a merchandise using their logo. Fair use for parody they can't touch you. It's why the Adihash and enjoy coca in shirts are legal Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 The best bit is these "Cybergun Glocks " will probably have worse trades on them than any other airsoft Glock!They're not Umarex. Their M&Ps had great trademarks. Part of my concern is that in order to make it affordable, but still meet their margins would VFC lower their quality to make it cheaper. The Stark Arms/VFC Glocks are ok, better out of the box than KSC/KWAs, better (IMO) than WEs, but not as accurate and reliable as Marui. Making the Cybergun Glock anything less than great, would be a death for the product. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I hear people having lots of issues with Stark Glock internals breaking after very little use, mainly on the full auto models but also the other ones. Can't speak for KSC/KWA but from what I have seen and experienced the WE holds up a lot better than the SA ones. Like I said somwhere else, when people ask me if the SA Glocks are a good choice for skirmishing, I recommend a WE (!) instead! Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I hear people having lots of issues with Stark Glock internals breaking after very little use, mainly on the full auto models but also the other ones. Can't speak for KSC/KWA but from what I have seen and experienced the WE holds up a lot better than the SA ones. Like I said somwhere else, when people ask me if the SA Glocks are a good choice for skirmishing, I recommend a WE (!) instead! I do the same, I've only heard of a few sa actually be good. It's all in the hop rubber and barrel quality. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Just bought a g19 by WE due to other people's experience with them (and was told to stay away from stark 'fur coat no knickers' arms). I wonder if this will be the last straw for CG, or will it invigorate them. . . ? Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 It could be one of those times that "vote with your wallet" might be very apt. If enough retailers avoid the CG rebrand (with the host of KWA/KJW/WE/Stark and TM glocks on the market should be easy) then this may be the one to shut them down. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Fingers crossed. Though I reckon CG might offer incentives, to stock their product, then when they've saturated the market up the prices. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 For training purpose the Starks would be a bad choice IMO, they look the best but perform the worst, we or ksc would be my choice, marui glock need to be upgraded internally or the cheese infused plastic will break on green which I'm sure would be the gas of choice for training purposes. Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Cg is doing this for the US market because we have "issues" getting good trademark guns without having to go through the rigamarol. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Hmmm, didn't catch this on the first read through. Regarding the MLE Glock licensed replicas; The standards quality, respect the spirit of the house GLCOK and the need to produce with partners confidence have guided our work. Versions delivered to French Ministry of Interior will be produced and partially assembled in Germany. Possible BS, either they are taking in parts from SA and putting them together in Germany. Or they are just cloning the production line from SA. Or, they are actually developing and producing something themselves? <-- Highly unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Yea it could be good that they make there own, if it's for training purpose I would expect higher quality then the majority of glocks available. I wouldn't mind paying up to 500 euro for a really quality replca. But I know it's never going to happin. But one can wish. Link to post Share on other sites
Geri Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 In this case "training" is not runing arround and shoot targets and stuff... the only way an airsoft replica is relevant in le mil training is gun safety, getting used to the feel and things like that, an acm glock is probably cheaper than a quality training replica, but its close enough in externals, in this case durability is out of question, so stark would be enough. I dont think it will ever happen, but if it does I highly doubt that tose replicas would be ever fireed. Link to post Share on other sites
Bando Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 only way this will make them money is the US market. Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I wouldn't mind paying up to 500 euro for a really quality replca. you can built one for that amount of money with a Marui as the base gun. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I know and probable will, but it would be nice to have an out of the box ready to go beast! Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Doubt they'll assemble them, they'll contract it out to somebody, maybe GSG. Link to post Share on other sites
GI0VANNI Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 For 500€ you can just get a real Glock one and enough anmo (simnmunition) to compensate the cost of it. A second hand RS glock in 45 caliber has costed me 350€ with two mags some spares and holsters and IPSC *suitcases* I will not use. Even a H&K USP compact os cheaper than the cost for a TM USP with metal frame and hard polymers insides and I know it for sure too. Sorry for comparing RS with toy guns, but I could not avoid it any more, We are talking about RS training and for that you NEED a RS, that is more reliable and less expensive than any shift that C... can offer. If you want to train bla bla bla, use a 22 caliber convertor, the anmo goes about 4,5€ a 50 box, even you have GSG making mp5 clones in 22 caliber for the cost of a RS or cheaper than a PTW... Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 For 500€ you can just get a real Glock one and enough anmo (simnmunition) to compensate the cost of it. A second hand RS glock in 45 caliber has costed me 350€ with two mags some spares and holsters and IPSC *suitcases* I will not use. Even a H&K USP compact os cheaper than the cost for a TM USP with metal frame and hard polymers insides and I know it for sure too. Sorry for comparing RS with toy guns, but I could not avoid it any more, We are talking about RS training and for that you NEED a RS, that is more reliable and less expensive than any shift that C... can offer. If you want to train bla bla bla, use a 22 caliber convertor, the anmo goes about 4,5€ a 50 box, even you have GSG making mp5 clones in 22 caliber for the cost of a RS or cheaper than a PTW... HK makes training glocks so I really don't get the point of an Airsoft version being used for training. Many versions can be had, problem is getting one in the US is a headache. Link to post Share on other sites
jal3 Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Do not like simFX. It fires excessively hard. It's got bad accuracy. It drops very fast. It drops energy very fast. It's super expensive. It requires a lot of safety gear. http://simunition.com/upload/documents/doc_96.pdf Velocity: 110m/s Velocity at 20m: 51m/s Initial energy: 3J Energy at 20m: 0,65j (And i have a feeling the figures should be a lot worse, but i'm generous on the air drag) 0,28 BB fired at 110m/s Velocity: 110m/s Velocity at 20m: 66m/s Initial energy: 1,7J Energy at 20m: 0,63 A m130 airsoft pistol will fire less hard close up, more hard at distance, has no drop, is more precise, is way cheaper. Simunition gives the craziest bruises (5j version experience though), it prohibits easy practise. Cannot aim at all with the required head gear (pistol works though) and obviously it's *suitcase* so it instantly fogs up too. The reason people can accept how hard it hits, is because 95% of the time is spend faffing around, instructing or running scenarios. Airsoft on the other hand, is pure up combat-combat-combat over and over. Well, it can be. And SimFX has no hopup. Official guideline is 15cm drop at 7,6m. It's long range capabilities is worse than an AEP without hop. Simunition is louder than airsoft sure. So you have to wear ear protection (IMO), at which point it sounds like airsoft. Airsoft GBB's are just low enough that they can be used without. Great! The recoil on simunition is not really that fantastic either. It's far from a real pistol. *heaves* SimFX is bad! Link to post Share on other sites
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