Verdict Marker BBs

[Agent47]

first we had the blammo kill-marker, now we have the Verdict BB

 

The powder coated on the BBs can only come off if it hits something solid at over 60 fps...

dunno about that, could the powder gum up the gears?

[Royal-Air-Force]

There is a chance it could mush up my / your hop, and therefore, not using them is the best bet.

 

Also, paintballers use bog standard overalls that are fine covered in paint and easily washable, I doubt many people will wan't their RRV / CIRAS / OUJAMAFLOP covered in painty powdery stuff.

 

Personally I don't want to charge into a group of people, get hosed, and come out looking like a teenager whose been through one too many greasy pizzas'.

 

Lets not make airsoft any more like painball.

 

We work on an honour system. Lets keep it that way.

[Mat]

RAF,

 

As with the Blammo Kill Markers, these are not paintballs, they are powder coated balls.

 

However my reply is the same as with Blammo Kill Markers, I don't see a place for them in my hobby... or rather, I can, I just don't want them.

[amateurstuntman]

Also, picture this:

 

You get hosed, you are covered in loads of dust.

You wipe it off quickly (is it even possible to wipe it off quickly?) because you are in a fast turnaround game.

You miss a couple.

You are accused of not taking hits (that genuinely didn't hit you).

You are checked for dust.

 

The dust is still there from an earlier hit, making you look like a cheater. No thanks.

 

How easy is it to wipe off, it it a case of a stiff bristled brush? Soap and water? A wipe with your hand? If so what is to stop the existing cheating scumbags just wiping too?

 

 

[Krait]

Exactly the problem with all of these bb's. If they wipe off with a hand, then the cheaters just wipe like paintball. If it takes more to get them off, then you have false accusations and ruined gear.

[Rufs]

RRV / CIRAS / OUJAMAFLOP

 

 

QFT ahahah

 

try googling oujamaflop

[Aitch]

I'm prettty sure the feed nozzle in the gearbox will hit the bb at more than 60fps, so dust would find it's way into the GB/hop, no thanks

[the roob]

I won't be buying anything like this anytime soon. Cheaters always find a way to cheat, they'll get around this too. if you are having cheating problems, find a better class of players to play with or just keep shooting.

 

 

[M4A1lover]

sorry did not fully read the topic ignor this

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[Tank]

If I wanted to have marking rounds I'd play paintball.

Why do people want to try to turn airsoft into paintball? LEAVE AIRSOFT ALONE YOU TWATS!!!

 

I think the ONLY application these should EVER be used for is LE/MIL training.

[Magsz]

Retarded ideas.

 

Cheaters will cheat regardless.

 

This is not the way to do away with cheaters. Ostracizing the rat bastards and kicking them out of playing locations are the way to do away with cheaters.

[Jin15]

Agreed with all of the above, this product has no place in airsoft.

 

Airsoft works very well on the honor system and I certainly don't want my hundreds of dollars worth of gear pockmarked up with paint dust. I get *pizza*ed off enough when I get paintball paint on my gear from skirmishing on fields that paintballers had played on previously, no need to add insult to injury.

And there's no way I can see the residue from these BBs not screwing up your hopup and/or gearbox with enough use.

 

So yeah, a big "NO THANK YOU" to this product.

 

 

[thartwig]

i dont know how it would interfere with the mechbox, but the residue would definitely build up in the barrel and on the hop-up.

[dog_soldier13]

When will these come to the US i want to get some just to test them out

[AussyMurphy]

And what happens when you use these and hit someone's mesh eye protection?

[John Dee]

I don't fancy getting a eye ball full of powder from my mesh mask with these.

[chownsy]

I don't fancy getting a eye ball full of powder from my mesh mask with these.

 

 

what happens if someone uses these, hits me, i get a mesh full of dust or my gear gets ruined, are they going to pay for replacements?? i think not,

 

so idealy we all neeed these (aint going to happen) or none of us have these (also wont happen)

 

soon sites will have to ban these or ban normal bb's (or at least ask people if they have them not to use them)

 

 

so Yea NO THANKS!!!

 

keep it for military training and away from mainstream airsoft

[bankz5152]

Sounds like a good idea but i wouldnt use them i can see so many problems poping up, hop damage, dirt build up inside, ruined gear and if you get shot a shed load in your first game of the day and dont get it all off (if you can) go in to the second game and people say that youve been hit when its from a previous game and so on...

 

Ill stick to my bags of 5000 from Z1.

[ben3265]

notice in the example they show the person wearing black.. because its easy to see

 

most of us are wearing DPM, multicam, Deserts and what not, its going to be pretty damn hard to see the dusty mark

 

stick to my regular white balls of pain thanks

[FireKnife]

I can see no need for these.

 

'FireKnife'

[mcnuggets]

I have two questions to the guys who don't like this,

 

First, hypothetically speaking, if a marking BB were made that was identical in every way to a normal BB in terms of loading, not-gumming up the hop-up in your gun, aerodynamics, weight, etc. and the marking substance easily washes away so there's no danger to your gear would you use it?

 

I mean the honor system in this game is fine and all but isn't it still a disadvantage when compared to our sister sport paintball? I don't know about you guys but I prefer a mark over no mark all else being the same. Especially where airsoft is becoming more popular and there's a move away from invite only games on private land to games held at commercial establishment. I.e. there's strangers there who may have a greater incentive to cheat. Plus it's not like these BB are putting out a whole lot of energy on impact. Many times it is difficult to feel them, especially when fired from a long range. So a mark reassuring. It also helps catch cheaters red handed.

 

Second, don't you guys get dirty anyway when you play? I mean I get utterly filthy with mud and sweat. It's all getting thrown in the wash anyway so why do you mind a little bit of powder?

 

I think this is a step in the right direction. Although I'd also worry about gumming up my gun. And the mark probably would be too small.

[FireKnife]

They are not worth it due to the fact that in airsoft we have full auto and proper kit unlike paintballers.

 

Most player i know don't wash rigs and things as they don't pick up bodily smells and other things.

 

If you get hosed then you have to wipe off all the powder as a cheat could claim the other hits as earlier ones or may not wipe off an old mark and have it claimed against them.

 

Also how would you get it to not gum up the gun? Unless you put the powder inside the BB, in which case it needs to be hard enough to resist firing from a gun but soft enough to explode on impact, which is hard to do.

 

'FireKnife'

[morugatu]

I'm of the same opinion mostly of the same opinion.

 

As a cheap, middle-class, American, I don't see why I should get these when the price is most likely going to be higher than a bag of TSD or probably even some KSC or Airsoft Elite bbs.

 

From the perspective of a player I agree fully with the argument that this can only hurt honest players more than it would help them. How can they keep cheaters from wiping, equipment from needing too excessive of cleaning, or honest players being accused of not taking hits that are from another round?

 

Being an airsoft mechanic for my team, I find it very, very, very hard to believe they've found a 100% foul-proof way of keeping this dust-junk from clogging barrels, gumming hop up units, ruining gearboxes, or rendering magazines inoperable.

 

Still, even though I am echoing the shouts of the masses, I would like to note that it is nice to see a company trying to create original products, even if they aren't what I'm looking for, because who knows? Maybe some good will come out of the research into these new bbs? And above all, original is good, lord knows how sick I am of the same designs for airsofting equipment being recycled over and over again.

 

EDIT: Actually just thought of a use for these bbs. It would be nice for snipers or similar players performing roles in scenarios where they are allowed to 'destroy' equipment. And since it is usually hard to tell if given equipment has been 'hit', these would help in identification. Such as a sniper shooting a motor, at a vehicle with glass, heavy machine guns or similar targets.

 

Perhaps they're not quite as 'useless' as I first thought. They do have the potential for their own unique roles without significantly changing the way our games are played.

[DCAP]

Wow more Nay's than Yeahs, and nobody has even tried the product. Im definatley not for ruining my precious weapons but Im always down for bettering the sport, im gonna have to wait before i give an oppinion on this one. This product even though unpopular with the veterans can really turn on the sport to a whole new generation of players world wide, which equals more revenue for the sport, better events, better sponcers, heck who knows... or it could be another failure. Still undecided i guess, anyone use these yet?

[neoptolemus]

Stuff

 

Aren't you the bloke that wanted those absurd non-realistic airsoft guns?

 

I'm inclined to disagree with everything you say on principle!

 

Every field I've ever played at polices their own. The community hunts out cheaters and makes sure they get in line.