Sale Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 As far as I am concerned, I have an ultra live-and-let-live attitude. If somebody wants to be hit with a riding crop, that's fine with me, not my cup of tea, but you know, if someone wants to be tied up, that is fine with me too. However, if someone does not want to be tied up or hit and someone does it and films it and puts it on the interweb, then that is where problems arise. But that's illegal already. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
sandstorm Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I was a little uncertain about what this law covers... Possession? Manufacture? Sales? Importation? Two last cases might not be covered already, first could be debatable, but is already illegal in large parts of Europe when it's child porn, and the manufacture is already covered by all the abuse and physical assault laws. Link to post Share on other sites
thatozzieguy Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 If you chose to move to the US like many other members chose to do, do yourself a favor and stay FAR away from Kommiefornia.... farther the better.... Whats wrong with california? Link to post Share on other sites
horzathesecound Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 But whats next? How about videos which shows; Driving recklessly Assualting someone Killing someone Torturing someone Possesion of unlicesened firearms How about videos which show rebellion against the government? All those things are illegal, some of them are very wrong indeed. I should imagine that a fair few of those things happen more than rape. Why isn't the government banning videos which show those things happening? The hypocrisy that violent porn should be banned, where everyday violence is ok is pretty mind boggling. Why is it more more acceptable to the government/censorship board to show people being shot/extreame violence, but not allowed to show boobs? "Whats that you say? a crazed killing machiene from the future that murders a lot of poilcemen, then gets in a car crash, crashes his car and operates on him self to remove his eye ball? Hmm, i think we'll make it a 15." "It's got boobs in it." "WHAT? goodness me, we had better make this an 18! we can't have that sort of thing" Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Wouldn't removing it from the internet/video/dvd etc cause people to go out and try and do it for real? This country sucks. Link to post Share on other sites
paulonorcatto Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 at the end of the day it wont work. im sure that they will do a similar thing with child porn sites, where they find out the credit card numbers and prosecute that way. but what about streaming sites? you simply cant police those. also thousands of people are going to have images and videos on their hard drives and dvds that no one is probably ever going to find. Link to post Share on other sites
Involved6 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 This is just the latest trend of the "civilized world", i.e. the US and UK, etc... telling people what is good for them. That's the disturbing part: Red-handed, Adulterous, Schister politicians telling private citizens what to do with their private lives, when they themselves are more debauched than the people they are "keeping safe". The issue I take with this is the "gateway" effect of it. If its OK in the UK, then the US lawmakers may figure they can get it passed here. And if they can pass that, why not ban porn altogether? Why not, while we're at it, then ban guns altogether? When we've banned porn and guns, why not make violent movies illegal (you know, to "protect the children")? After that, why not make other non-sanctioned things illegal? Welcome to backdoor fascism. Dr. King defined an unjust law as one that "degrades the human personality". Not to wax philosophical, but the human personality is a sexual one. No one should feel guilty or lesser for liking a certain thing (or conversely, disliking it) Fight the power, brothers. Link to post Share on other sites
sturgis Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Regardless if it's your cup of tea or not, this is just taking the ###### ... *cough* v for vendetta *cough* wink, wink, nudge nudge... Link to post Share on other sites
Rec Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Whats wrong with california? Strict gun laws, high taxes, eco-hypocrisy... what's to like? I'd go for Texas, (north) Florida or Arizona. But you guys won't let me stay... Link to post Share on other sites
Desolation mkII Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 But that's illegal already. -Sale Exactly. I don't think it will be porn next. There is one place this law will lead to, a ban on extreme violence in video games. you watch, postal, Manhunt and GTA will be next. The anti games lobby will see this as a victory. Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I was a little uncertain about what this law covers... Possession? Manufacture? Sales? Importation? but what about streaming sites? you simply cant police those. also thousands of people are going to have images and videos on their hard drives and dvds that no one is probably ever going to find. This law will criminalise accessing or possessing this stuff. Basically, it's a slippery, underhanded way of prosecuting people for things when they haven't actually committed any crime. The other thing, which you SHOULD be concerned about, is what practices will be put in place to gather evidence. It seems obvious, to me, that the only ways to gather evidence of this crime will be either by monitoring what a person does on their PC or what they watch on TV or what magazines and DVDs they purchase, or by physically searching a persons house or confiscating their PC and DVD collection etc. This has the potential to be abused enormously. Goth guy argues with rozzer on a Saturday night? Goths are kinky, right? He's acting in an aggressive manner. Let's go and search his house. That'll learn him! Woman in the flat upstairs gets p*ssed-off because the guy below gets home before her and steals the only parking space? Report him to the police for harassment. Now they can come around and search your HDD if they want to. Ex boyfriend (who seemed to enjoy the kinky stuff you did when you were together) suddenly sees you with another guy and feels jealous? Quick phone-call to the rozzers and you (and your new boyfriend) can have their fun squashed before it begins. Thing is it's NOT about what the police can and cannot do. With "just cause" they can already act in almost any scenario you can imagine. What they CANNOT do is get a prosecution if you haven't done what you're accused of. Laws like this (much like the VCRA) give the CPS a hook to hang a prosecution on and THAT is the important thing. It makes for poor statistics when cops attend call-outs but no prosecution is brought. With a law like this (or the VCRA) there is a much greaer chance that there's something you an prosecute the person for. "He's a sad, lonely weirdo. Doesn't look like he was harassing his ex-girlfriend but we found some dodgy porn on his PC so we can nick him for that. Yay! Another case solved!" Link to post Share on other sites
pjones Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 This is just the latest trend of the "civilized world", i.e. the US and UK, etc... telling people what is good for them. That's the disturbing part: Red-handed, Adulterous, Schister politicians telling private citizens what to do with their private lives, when they themselves are more debauched than the people they are "keeping safe". The issue I take with this is the "gateway" effect of it. If its OK in the UK, then the US lawmakers may figure they can get it passed here. And if they can pass that, why not ban porn altogether? Why not, while we're at it, then ban guns altogether? When we've banned porn and guns, why not make violent movies illegal (you know, to "protect the children")? After that, why not make other non-sanctioned things illegal? Welcome to backdoor fascism. Dr. King defined an unjust law as one that "degrades the human personality". Not to wax philosophical, but the human personality is a sexual one. No one should feel guilty or lesser for liking a certain thing (or conversely, disliking it) Fight the power, brothers. I'd hardly compare this with the struggle for Black civil rights in the US. But you are right about expansion of government power. Imagine East Germany run by the folks from Jesus Camp. That's what some people are aiming for. Of course, others are just aiming for plain old East Germany or Mugabe's Zimbabwe, but that's for a different thread. Link to post Share on other sites
DesertFoxRomel Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 watcha talking about? Almost all the porn is done in California. Why? Cuz we do it the best. I was talking about life in general Whats wrong with california? Strict gun laws, high taxes, eco-hypocrisy... what's to like? I'd go for Texas, (north) Florida or Arizona. But you guys won't let me stay... ^What he said. I seriously LOLed when there was a call for water conservation, and the mayor of LA wasted more than a few times about of water that the average family uses a year on his big *albatross* mansion. Also high crime rate, higher student to teacher ratio, etc. And, ironically, Mr. Governator, promised to help education, but ended up cutting billions from the education budget and closing schools. Leave no child behind my *albatross* Anyway, back on topic. I honestly don't see the issue if two people doing what they like to do as long as it harms no one else and the acts are consensual. Being too politically correct can be as or more harmful than politically incorrect you know... Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I honestly don't see the issue if two people doing what they like to do as long as it harms no one else and the acts are consensual. Being too politically correct can be as or more harmful than politically incorrect you know... As I just explained, at some length, it's not DOING it that'll be a crime. It's having pictures or videos of people doing it that'll be criminal. Link to post Share on other sites
Desolation mkII Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Good golly Stealth, you don't expect people to read the thread do you? Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 The biggest issue i can see with this is that a lot of porn sites have links which will redirect you to 'supporter' sites, which in experiance (did i say that aloud?) 1 in 10 times goes to something that'll probably be classed as 'violent' porn. Issue being with that is people potentially being prosecuted because theres records of them going on such a site even though they aren't into that kind of porn and wouldn't knowingly go to such a site. And then theres the problem with a lot of sites which have a wide range of types of porn on, could people be prosecuted for going on those just because some videos would be classed as 'violent' porn? Link to post Share on other sites
bloodbath mcgrath Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 my imagination was far worse... also this will not stop rapists, it could even result in more rapes taking place because they cant get there fix from watching their violent porn... but once again thats just my thought on this Link to post Share on other sites
Desolation mkII Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Well yeah, thats exactly it. as someone has said before, with the huge ammoount of porn on the internet, it is inevitable that users will accidentaly come accross something illgal, they might not even realise they have done it, especially someone who frequents sites like 4chan. IIRC a few years ago, a lads neigbors called the police when they saw him blowing things up in his back garden. The police arrested him and took his computer to search for evidence he had been looking up bomb recipies. It turned out they were just fireworks. But the point was, they did find some illegal porn on his computer, IIRC 2 pictures, that he had probably just stumbled across, and last thing I remember, they were going to charge him over that. Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 anytime you guys need /b/ackup you call Mr.Bush, we clear out the crzy overbearing governments for u no problem. Link to post Share on other sites
Involved6 Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 I'd hardly compare this with the struggle for Black civil rights in the US. Oh, I'm not. When I re-read what I wrote, it sounds like that, but I used King because I've always believed "Letters from a Birmingham Jail" extended beyond the black civil rights movement, and into civil rights in general, which I was meaning to say this was an oppression of. Link to post Share on other sites
Gor Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 DOOOO IT! DOOOO IT! DOOOO IT! Triple doggy dare you. Give me 300 men with AK-47's and enough ammunition and I'll give it a go! Hopefully the rest of the population would see what we were trying to do (bring about sane government before our's really goes wacky) and join in. Sometimes I wish we had something akin to the American Constitution...such a helpful document. (but that's another discussion) Link to post Share on other sites
Chimpy Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Good luck finding 30 people let alone 300 that think you have a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites
Gor Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Good luck finding 30 people let alone 300 that think you have a good idea. Depends on the idea Link to post Share on other sites
Chimpy Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 The one you posted above my post specifically otherwise the thread wouldn't make much sense. Link to post Share on other sites
Gor Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 >.< brain not working this morning. Terribly sorry. I can dream about revolution though! Link to post Share on other sites
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