Epic Lulz Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I'm definitely installing the bolt buffer but that spring has me nervous. We're seeing enough breakages as is with a relatively stock setup + GG. What differences have you noticed so far with the 140% recoil spring (aside from greater recoil obviously)? Well, the recoil isn't only greater, but it's much sharper as well. Much less sluggish in the action. Also, I'm not sure if this is because the greater spring can get a better seal or whatnot, but my WA M4a1 with the airsoft surgeon bolt + 140% spring chrono'd at 407fps today on green at the local airsoft shop with .20 or .25g bb's (can't remember which). Picked up 3 cans of green gas and have shot through about 10-12 mags without a problem so far (no unusual wear). Kind of waiting for the gun to explode on me so I can start upgrading parts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Interesting! Well all my parts get here next week so I'll have to do a little experimenting to see how the various upgrades are. Oh yeah, Poison, the other reason why I bought so many mags was because they're all bought locally in HK which is about 16% cheaper than online prices (I just ask my friends there to pick them up for me). That's basically how I buy all the parts for myself and my teammates. Wholesale prices all the baby! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Well, the recoil isn't only greater, but it's much sharper as well. Much less sluggish in the action. Also, I'm not sure if this is because the greater spring can get a better seal or whatnot, but my WA M4a1 with the airsoft surgeon bolt + 140% spring chrono'd at 407fps today on green at the local airsoft shop with .20 or .25g bb's (can't remember which). Picked up 3 cans of green gas and have shot through about 10-12 mags without a problem so far (no unusual wear). Kind of waiting for the gun to explode on me so I can start upgrading parts AS Bolt? Wasn't aware that was released yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coladraken Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 uscmCorps: Damn I envy you... I don't even know how to get hold of even a single extra magazine. Boomarms doesn't seem to respond to ordering. Don't see them elsewhere... Also haven't heard anything from RA-TECH since paying.. AS Bolt? Wasn't aware that was released yet. Me neither, tell us more! According to their schedule they should arrive soon, maybe you just have to ask them for one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ratech Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 NEW HOP UP CHAMBER TEST FILM http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=V2hZrMNspmY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 NEW HOP UP CHAMBER TEST FILM http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=V2hZrMNspmY fyi the last sentence said that they look inside to prove there's is no damage from the hopup. Good thing I still know some Chinese... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IronWolf Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 uscmCorps: Damn I envy you... I don't even know how to get hold of even a single extra magazine. Boomarms doesn't seem to respond to ordering. /snip TMC WAM4 spare mag Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 NEW HOP UP CHAMBER TEST FILM http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=V2hZrMNspmY ratech, could you answer the following questions for me? How many rounds were in each mag? What type of gas was used 134a or GG? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Lulz Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) AS Bolt? Wasn't aware that was released yet. Sorry, I was a bit intoxicated when I wrote that (meant to say buffer instead of bolt). It's just the 140%spring + buffer that yeilded the 407 FPS on the chrono . Edited June 18, 2008 by Epic Lulz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 ratech, could you answer the following questions for me? How many rounds were in each mag? What type of gas was used 134a or GG? did a quick count estimated 15 rounds per mag Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ratech Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 ratech, could you answer the following questions for me? How many rounds were in each mag? What type of gas was used 134a or GG? about 25bb 0.25g each mag(彈彈器裝一次的量) use green gas about 12kg/cm2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BaBaBooey Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) Interesting! Well all my parts get here next week so I'll have to do a little experimenting to see how the various upgrades are. Oh yeah, Poison, the other reason why I bought so many mags was because they're all bought locally in HK which is about 16% cheaper than online prices (I just ask my friends there to pick them up for me). That's basically how I buy all the parts for myself and my teammates. Wholesale prices all the baby! That's interesting to see the markup for the magazines on the online stores. I purchased six spares for a total of JPY 53,880...I think there might be stores that have them cheaper, but I didn't really look too hard. Also, I did get a chance to see the external adapter plug. It's currently selling in Japan for about JPY 2,200. I don't quite understand the novelty of having an external rig on this piece. I can scan some photos if anyone wants them. I also installed the AS buffer as well. As you suspected, the spring is way too strong. I left the stock spring and buffer and as expected, didn't seem to effect the power too much (using a PDI carbine length inner). I shook the buffer during installation and noticed that it seems to have a piston inside it. I'm not sure if the stronger spring will actually increase the recoil effect (my guess is that it will actually reduce it?)...maybe this "piston" has something to do with the change in recoil effect. My plastic hop up is still holding up (using 134), but I ordered the RA-Tech chamber as well. Curios to see how well they will hold up on green with the stronger spring. Edited June 18, 2008 by BaBaBooey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Lulz Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) I also installed the AS buffer as well. As you suspected, the spring is way too strong. I left the stock spring and buffer and as expected, didn't seem to effect the power too much (using a PDI carbine length inner). I shook the buffer during installation and noticed that it seems to have a piston inside it. I'm not sure if the stronger spring will actually increase the recoil effect (my guess is that it will actually reduce it?)...maybe this "piston" has something to do with the change in recoil effect. My plastic hop up is still holding up (using 134), but I ordered the RA-Tech chamber as well. Curios to see how well they will hold up on green with the stronger spring. The spring itself just makes the recoil snappier. The buffer however, is a solid machined part with something inside of it (noticed that as well)...probably a piece of rubber. It's much heavier than the stock WA molded plastic piece and thus attributes to more mass being thrown around as the rifle is cycling. I did notice a slight ROF drop and a more sluggish action as I mentioned before when just running the AS buffer with the stock spring. ...perhaps I don't feel the spring is too strong because I've been shooting real rifles these past few years (anxiously awaiting for my WA to asplode on my face ). Has there been any news on an aftermarket bolt catch being released anytime soon? Mine has functioned flawlessly/looks perfect, but there are probably already a ton of fractures at the microscopic level spreading Edited June 18, 2008 by Epic Lulz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 The spring itself just makes the recoil snappier. The buffer however, is a solid machined part with something inside of it (noticed that as well)...probably a piece of rubber. It's much heavier than the stock WA molded plastic piece and thus attributes to more mass being thrown around as the rifle is cycling. I did notice a slight ROF drop and a more sluggish action as I mentioned before when just running the AS buffer with the stock spring. ...perhaps I don't feel the spring is too strong because I've been shooting real rifles these past few years (anxiously awaiting for my WA to asplode on my face ). Has there been any news on an aftermarket bolt catch being released anytime soon? Mine has functioned flawlessly/looks perfect, but there are probably already a ton of fractures at the microscopic level spreading I think we're just afraid of it throwing the bolt forward even faster and completely destroying the load ramp or the air nozzle. Once my RA hopup gets here I'll put in the spring...but till then I'm just using the buffer. ....and then working on my new project....a RS Larue rifle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Lulz Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I think we're just afraid of it throwing the bolt forward even faster and completely destroying the load ramp or the air nozzle. Once my RA hopup gets here I'll put in the spring...but till then I'm just using the buffer. ....and then working on my new project....a RS Larue rifle Ah, that's understandable. I'm just waiting for something to break...it's been 2000 rounds so far in the past day and not a hiccup thus far. Btw, I've found that Dow33 works really well for the WA. With the silicone oil I was concerned with the lubricant being too thin for the heavy moving parts, but Dow33 grease (from my old paintball days) seems to work perfectly. Best part is it's a silicone lubricant, perfectly safe for o-rings, and doesn't shed off the bolt of hammer assembly when the rifle is cycling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wupjak Posted June 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I'd like to see the external magazine adapter, if you don't mind, Bababooey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hokeyplyr48 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 if i wasn't heading off to Rochester NY next year for college I'd definitely be picking one of these up. how do they perform in cold weather? Is there a significant FPS drop? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Harvahammas Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Well it's just a big gbb gun so it will suck in cold weather. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Lulz Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Well it's just a big gbb gun so it will suck in cold weather. This is true. The only way this gun will perform as it is in cold weather (in my opinion) is a regulated external high pressure air source. Out of the box, the SP's and escort-equipped guns win in this regard, but the simple operating mechanism of the WA is a sure-fire winner in the warmer climates such as out here in California. Upgrade parts that will increase the performance of the gas system will probably help. Higher performance can = better gas efficiency if tuned correctly. It's all in how you mod the gun, and your personal expectations for performance. If only everything in the rifle were CNC machined/pure awesome . I have access and knowledge of cad design/programs as I'm an engineering student, but no means of producing parts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 That's interesting to see the markup for the magazines on the online stores. I purchased six spares for a total of JPY 53,880...I think there might be stores that have them cheaper, but I didn't really look too hard. 53,880.00 JPY = 499.503 USD = 83.25 per mag Wow... looks like my mags were only a little more expensive than yours were. Basically $5 more each (but mine were HK wholesale priced). The HK retailers are definitely jacking up the prices for these mags as they know people want them badly but I don't think they realize that if they lowered the price to just below US$90, they'd get a whole lot more orders. There's just something about paying over $100 for a mag that seems to be a threshold most people can't stomach (myself included). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BaBaBooey Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I'd like to see the external magazine adapter, if you don't mind, Bababooey. Here you go. Sorry for the crappy photo...it's actually a scan of a hardcopy pdf file that the store gave me. It really didn't interest me much, so I don't know any specifics (e.g. what type of connector it is using, what it's made out of, etc.). All I know that it was for sale for JPY 2,200. I think the concept is that you get a connector for each mag...otherwise, I didn't quite understand how one would reload. Also, might be a pain to carry the mags with the connector stuck in them. I personally don't think this is effective for an external rig...I'd much rather use my YE MP5. I don't know... Hope this helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 So about 20 bucks per connector...not bad. Very very interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Lulz Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 That is pretty cool, but doesn't seem like a viable option for a skirmish gun. Assuming they're using quick disconnects for those fittings, you'd have to pop the quick disconnect, drop the mag, load in another mag, and pop the quick disconnect back on. Tack on the price of WA mags at $100 a piece and it's simply more convenient to stick with the stock mags. Full adjustability of FPS with a regulator, no cooldown, and shot-to-shot consistency is a plus though. Now if only someone came up with an alternative to the WA mags... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 The WA mags will be fine for how I personally play. I've never been a spray and prayer, and I prefer standard capacity mags. So 50 rounders will be just fine for me. As for the cool down effect I generally prefer Semi-auto fire and TBH there's so much kick to this bad boy that you're better off keeping it to short controlled bursts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnakChan Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 (edited) That's interesting to see the markup for the magazines on the online stores. I purchased six spares for a total of JPY 53,880...I think there might be stores that have them cheaper, but I didn't really look too hard. BaBaBooey, yes you can find them cheaper in Air-Borne Shinjuku, they go for Y7980/mag. If you read Japanese it's http://www.airborne-shop.com/ Edit: PM me if you wanna navigate Edited June 19, 2008 by AnakChan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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