redline Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I guess it depends on your luck. Anyway, this morning I encountered my first real problem with my WE M4. The original mag that came with the gun started to lose gas like hell. From the initial investigation it seems that the valve that gets hit by the hammer is to blame. I always keep some gas in the mags, so this is not the reason why it gave up (just in case someone is wandering). wolfy, try spraying silicone oil into the valve itself (the hole at the top). Also press the valve in to open it up, spray some oil inside and then try it. If that doesn't work, I removed that valve and re-align the o-rings and put it back in. Mine was still leaking, so I tightened it, and it solved the leaking issue. Hopefully yours will be the same. Seems since there isn't any loctite in the valves, they might come undone a little. No big deal. I prefer they not put loctite anyways... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4boost Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 (edited) I guess it depends on your luck. Anyway, this morning I encountered my first real problem with my WE M4. The original mag that came with the gun started to lose gas like hell. From the initial investigation it seems that the valve that gets hit by the hammer is to blame. I always keep some gas in the mags, so this is not the reason why it gave up (just in case someone is wandering). wolfy, try spraying silicone oil into the valve itself (the hole at the top). Also press the valve in to open it up, spray some oil inside and then try it. If that doesn't work, I removed that valve and re-align the o-rings and put it back in. Mine was still leaking, so I tightened it, and it solved the leaking issue. Hopefully yours will be the same. Seems since there isn't any loctite in the valves, they might come undone a little. No big deal. I prefer they not put loctite anyways... Red is spot on. If the mag starts leaking gas like crazy when you turn it upside-down after a fill, try taking the valve out (use a screw driver and grind the center out (Valve Key Alternative)), make sure the last two o-rings are not damaged/misaligned. Put a drop of thin silicon oil on them and then reinstall the valve. If this does not solve the leak, you may need new o-rings or you may have a leak in the plug that is just under the gas nozzle (where the gas exits the mag and into the brass chamber in the gun). You may want to check out this fix if that is the case: http://wem4guide.wikidot.com/troubleshooting#toc5 If you click on "Show Solution" under the magazine section, check out the last paragraph. It explains how to fix the plug from leaking. Edited April 24, 2009 by 4boost Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theprodigy Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 How is it that some guys who install a RS DD mk18 barrel nut have success and others don't? is it the we m4 being slightly different in those particular instances? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redline Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 How is it that some guys who install a RS DD mk18 barrel nut have success and others don't? is it the we m4 being slightly different in those particular instances? I got a "scocomgear" aka madbull I believe DD rail (light rail, not omega) 7 inch. The whole thing (including the nut that came with it) fits PERFECTLY! No wobble, no problems getting it installed and etc. I had a harder time fitting a Dboy regular 2-piece RIS vs. this. I got the AFC M4 (version 2) from AB...don't know whether that might be of any help or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HSOJGNILRAD Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I got a "scocomgear" aka madbull I believe DD rail (light rail, not omega) 7 inch. The whole thing (including the nut that came with it) fits PERFECTLY! No wobble, no problems getting it installed and etc. I had a harder time fitting a Dboy regular 2-piece RIS vs. this. I got the AFC M4 (version 2) from AB...don't know whether that might be of any help or not. I also have the socomgear 9 inch. It mounted no problem but the trades are GAY! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theprodigy Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I got a "scocomgear" aka madbull I believe DD rail (light rail, not omega) 7 inch. The whole thing (including the nut that came with it) fits PERFECTLY! No wobble, no problems getting it installed and etc. I had a harder time fitting a Dboy regular 2-piece RIS vs. this. I got the AFC M4 (version 2) from AB...don't know whether that might be of any help or not. sweet thanks guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Midma Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) Mine doesn't work, as usual. I order some parts, and to reply: Frankly, I hope that's only your personal opinion. In all fairness, let's ask those who's had absolutely zero issue with ANY airsoft guns, shall we? Yes, I know a lot of airsoft guns which work out of the box. It's shameful for this price to find a lot of lemon. Midma Edited April 25, 2009 by Midma Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) I fitted a DBOYS CNC RIS without any mods and it fits perfectly out of the box without any wobble whatsoever. I've had my AFC WE GBB for about 6 weeks now and I've used it every single day with no problems other than having to tighten screws/bolt (twice only though). I must have put about 4000 rounds through it and it's an airsoft dream of an M4. The thing about real steel Weapons is the need for maintenance at the end of each days use. Cleaning, clearing excess oil, lubing in the right places, checking screws etc is essential and part of the experience of using a professional training weapon. Also knowing about how the gas operates at different temperatures and adjusting your firing style helps to ensure you get the best out of any GBB weapon. I've come across some players who think that a five second squirt of propane in the mags is going to do the job. They then complain that the gun runs out of puff! I fill my mags for at leat 30 seconds from a warmed up cylinder. My mags work for at leat 60 rounds on full fps and beyond. I think that GBB reliability is much more of a direct function of care and proper use than it is for an electric rifle. However as I've said above, the WE M4 GBB is a PTW and so needs to be looked after as such. Edited April 25, 2009 by bbstriker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
newcomer Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I think how reliable and consistent the co2 system (specifically the mag) is a direct function of WE's willingness to show videos of it firing in full auto and provide some solid test data, given its reputation as a PTW platform on par with Simunation and blanks(and Airmuntion perhaps?). I mean since WE is making a video of it firing in semi what's the hassle in switching it to full auto and complete the video, huh?. I wonder why no one is asking for this simple request but instead waiting for the co2 system(promised before April with much gungho) and assume it to work flawlessly and a one-all-be-all solution to problems propane have? In all fairness it is common for any products to experience some hiccups, although I sincerely hope that does not stem from what I perceive as a design flaw in itself! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
somegirls Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 How is it that some guys who install a RS DD mk18 barrel nut have success and others don't? is it the we m4 being slightly different in those particular instances? Did you see that in the WE M4 wiki? That last picture istn't actually mine. The last 2 pics on that site is my M4. Somebody screwed the discribtion up Anyways, this is my work in progress: I'm still waiting for - Vltor style Gas block/Flip up -Short tac foregrip - Knights Armament stlye flashhider and trigger guard - Micro T-1 reddot - Anti rotation pins along with a bunch or Airsoft buddy part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4boost Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Did you see that in the WE M4 wiki? That last picture istn't actually mine. The last 2 pics on that site is my M4. Somebody screwed the discribtion up Anyways, this is my work in progress: I'm still waiting for - Vltor style Gas block/Flip up -Short tac foregrip - Knights Armament stlye flashhider and trigger guard - Micro T-1 reddot - Anti rotation pins along with a bunch or Airsoft buddy part. Fixed for now... I really need to sit down and finish coding that page. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
somegirls Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 wait, now I screwed it up. The last one is not mine but the 2 before the last picture are. Your site is great! In case you wanna use that pic, here is wait I have on it: - King Arms CASV - Falcon industries ergo grip - D'Boys flip up rear sight - Element CTR stock clone (30,- €and it's absolutely awesome. 0 wobble whatsoever) - cheap standard foregrip with rubber cover - Flashhider I can't recall the name of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4boost Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 wait, now I screwed it up. The last one is not mine but the 2 before the last picture are. Your site is great! In case you wanna use that pic, here is wait I have on it: - King Arms CASV - Falcon industries ergo grip - D'Boys flip up rear sight - Element CTR stock clone (30,- €and it's absolutely awesome. 0 wobble whatsoever) - cheap standard foregrip with rubber cover - Flashhider I can't recall the name of. Thanks for the heads up. I think I straightened it out, at least temporarily. Like I said that whole page is going to need to be revised. I'll be sure to add those details. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WETTI Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I fitted a DBOYS CNC RIS without any mods and it fits perfectly out of the box without any wobble whatsoever. I've had my AFC WE GBB for about 6 weeks now and I've used it every single day with no problems other than having to tighten screws/bolt (twice only though). I must have put about 4000 rounds through it and it's an airsoft dream of an M4. The thing about real steel Weapons is the need for maintenance at the end of each days use. Cleaning, clearing excess oil, lubing in the right places, checking screws etc is essential and part of the experience of using a professional training weapon. Also knowing about how the gas operates at different temperatures and adjusting your firing style helps to ensure you get the best out of any GBB weapon. I've come across some players who think that a five second squirt of propane in the mags is going to do the job. They then complain that the gun runs out of puff! I fill my mags for at leat 30 seconds from a warmed up cylinder. My mags work for at leat 60 rounds on full fps and beyond. I think that GBB reliability is much more of a direct function of care and proper use than it is for an electric rifle. However as I've said above, the WE M4 GBB is a PTW and so needs to be looked after as such. Very well put! Thank you indeed!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WETTI Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I think how reliable and consistent the co2 system (specifically the mag) is a direct function of WE's willingness to show videos of it firing in full auto and provide some solid test data, given its reputation as a PTW platform on par with Simunation and blanks(and Airmuntion perhaps?). I mean since WE is making a video of it firing in semi what's the hassle in switching it to full auto and complete the video, huh?. I wonder why no one is asking for this simple request but instead waiting for the co2 system(promised before April with much gungho) and assume it to work flawlessly and a one-all-be-all solution to problems propane have? In all fairness it is common for any products to experience some hiccups, although I sincerely hope that does not stem from what I perceive as a design flaw in itself! A fair question & request indeed!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TSCustom Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 our new product @ news section... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) our new product @ news section... Nothing new in the news page... EDIT: Sorry, assumed you meant your websites news section. http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...=166099&hl= Nice work.. Edited April 26, 2009 by LordElpus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 What about a Diemarco/ Canadian C7 reciever? It's the one used by the SAS and SBS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redline Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 ahh...jeez, guys..."why not a 416? Why not a VLTOR? why not a Magpul? Why not Noveske? Why not a Troy?" I think the more important question is to ask wether they could just make these widely avalable vs. just limited to 20 pieces...I wouldn't rush them. I'd rather they perfect one system before they try to produce too many new ones. I believe they are very close to making an ultimate version of the current M4. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SirSavage Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 That larue receiver looks awesome. and at $500 USD for the upper and lower isn't too terrible. That's actually Larue's MSRP for there real M4 Upper and lower together. I'll take this as a good sign for future WE M4 after-market products. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redline Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 That larue receiver looks awesome. and at $500 USD for the upper and lower isn't too terrible. That's actually Larue's MSRP for there real M4 Upper and lower together. I'll take this as a good sign for future WE M4 after-market products. which is why I consider it a little steep..atleast for me. I draw the line in airsoft, when the replicas cost more or the same as the real steel counterpart. NOW, if TScustoms took the real La Rue upper and lower and modified them for GBB use, THEN that's a great deal...and I'm not just talking about the prototype. If these uppers and lowers that are for sale, really are La Rue RS parts...wow... But I do applaud them for making other bodies for the WE platform... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WETTI Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 which is why I consider it a little steep..atleast for me. I draw the line in airsoft, when the replicas cost more or the same as the real steel counterpart. NOW, if TScustoms took the real La Rue upper and lower and modified them for GBB use, THEN that's a great deal...and I'm not just talking about the prototype. If these uppers and lowers that are for sale, really are La Rue RS parts...wow... But I do applaud them for making other bodies for the WE platform... at least from what I know... these are made as good, if not BETTER than the RS LaRue ones, at least from the material standpoint. 100% CNC from single billet of aircraft grade T-7075 aluminum...you simply cannot get any better than that. Whatever the comments, we're eternally grateful to these dedicated TSC boys for their contribution! Bravo guys!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WETTI Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 something of a mystery... I was sent these two pics yesterday from TSC..... with no descriptions.... hmmmm..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus78 Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) something of a mystery... I was sent these two pics yesterday from TSC..... with no descriptions.... hmmmm..... Power reduction parts most likely. Just what I would love to have. Edited April 26, 2009 by Lupus78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theprodigy Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I dont know if i missed it in an earlier post but, the 6.02 chrome barrels are made in a short version as well correct. I'm almost certain i just don't remember where i read it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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