WE Gas Blow Back M4A1 Carbine

[redline]

Thanks for the quick reply Renegadecow. I just ordered the redesigned floating valve, hoping it will make my gun legal at the field. Ofcourse, all that will probably be useless once the new C02 internal comes out...

[wolfsbane]

looks like building a complete bolt that will shoot 300-325fps is the way to go then.

 

Does any retailer sell that at the moment?

 

 

[wraithxt1]

But dont velocity reducers cause MASSIVE accuracy issues and wear out quickly?

 

If I'm mistaken let me know, because I'll be first in line to pick one up myself!

 

On another note, has anyone actually tested to CO2 mags yet? Are the any better than the V2 magazines? Do you get any more/less gas out of each mag? Can you empty a mag on auto?

[redline]

But dont velocity reducers cause MASSIVE accuracy issues and wear out quickly?

 

If I'm mistaken let me know, because I'll be first in line to pick one up myself!

 

On another note, has anyone actually tested to CO2 mags yet? Are the any better than the V2 magazines? Do you get any more/less gas out of each mag? Can you empty a mag on auto?

I don't think they're even selling the mags yet...they probably sell the guns, but not the mags yet. Besides..don't you need new internals? Plus, I wasn't aware that there was a V2 Magazine...

[rottenotto]

I have the new hopup in mine and mine does not pull left or right anymore but it is still inconsistent. I have been tinkering with the floating valve and have consistently got both of my guns shooting 350fps. I think the problem with my guns shooting sporadically along with everyone else is the mag is sitting a "LITTLE" loose in the hop chamber. If you pull the charging handle and lock the bolt carrier back look into the ejection port and move your mag back and forth. You can see that the BB follower unit slightly points up and down when you move it. I think that due to the recoil factor each shoot is coming out one over hopped and one to the ground. I'm going to try and fix it today. When the gun is shooting good this thing is much more accurate than my first version hopup. It is as accurate as a AEG......... very encouraging if you ask me. I will post up the results when I mod the mag well. Stay tuned.

 

THANK YOU for your posts - and to Renegadecow, the same thank you.

 

HSOJGNILRAD? A little confused how mag movement is affecting your shot to shot consistency. Pics would be great.

 

I dont seem to have this movement. But my consistency is the worst of any gun I have owned.

 

Any others with "gen 3" guns - or others who have exchanged their barrels and hops for 'gen 3' stuff - PLEASE POST YOUR EXPERIENCE.

 

We would all appreciate it - HSOJGNILRAD keep us updated on what you find.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[3vi1-D4n]

If you guys can do an accuracy test at say 7m-10m using 0.25g BBs it would give us an idea of the accuracy.

 

I know there is a difference between short range accuracy and long range accuracy particularly in airsoft guns, but just a rough guide to see the difference in the new system vs old.

 

My V1 barrel is accurised and I can't really use that to compare stock performance, which is much less appealing.

[HSOJGNILRAD]

Well I tried putting a piece of soft Velcro in the mag well wall closes to the front end. It did tighten up the mag but it didn't really do to much it helped a little. I wouldn't recommend doing it because your mag sits really tight in the mag well. I also added a little piece of Teflon tape that I rolled up in a tiny ball (really small) and dropped it in the hole where the ball sits. Then I put the ball back in and it seemed to help quite a bit. I will fire it a couple more times later today......By the way I live in SoCal and it is 100 outside The damn recoil almost blew my jaw off...LOL. Bare with me guys I'm trying every thing I can to get this new hopup dialed in. Like I said when it is dialed in the new hopup performs very well. Much better than the V1 hopup. It just needs some tinkering.

[wraithxt1]

I don't think they're even selling the mags yet...they probably sell the guns, but not the mags yet. Besides..don't you need new internals? Plus, I wasn't aware that there was a V2 Magazine...

 

 

I fixed and sold my V1, and snagged a V2 AFC from Airsoft Buddy. I've been running well ever since. It still vents excess gas on full auto, so I keep it on semi 99% of the time. www.youtube.com/wraithxt1 shows a bunch of the guncam vids I have of my M4.

 

There are two different green gas mags. I bought some first gen ones when I got my first rifle. They have a slightly different finish and the valve is a bit differnt in shape.

[Net Ronin]

I have some experiences with WE that I want to share. I have tried several brands of gas in local market including those which are labeled as green gas . I have found that if gas has silicone mix the gun will have a bad grouping. So now I use 75% of 134a with 25% of high power gas as propane with no silicone (after trial and error). The grouping is better at 15 meters but not as good as AEG. I still have old version hopup on my gun (waiting for 6.02 to come out to the market). My gun shoots around 345 - 355 fps with .25 marui brand. The temperature is 38-40 C here . I don't think this formula will work every place in the world since the temperature is deferent from place to place. But this is how we improved our WE.

 

This is next thing my friend is working on,a stainless disconnecter. He has handmade this with metal and tried with my friend's WE. It works fine. Now he is sending this diagram to a shop that can produce this with laser. This time it will be stainless steel. After testing this with my gun, I will tell how it performs.

 

 

Edited April 21, 2009 by Net Ronin

[renegadecow]

To everyone with a broken part #59:

 

I've been pouring my brains out on how such a simple part would break ever since Rottenotto's had broken some time ago. Mine broke just last Sunday (although surprisingly, it didn't affect performance not one bit) and since I'm not one to pay $11 shipping for a $1.50 part, I gave it some more brain juice.

I've come to the conclusion that the part is flawed in its design. Because the prongs are split all the way to the top and cut at sharp, right angles at the corners, the force exerted by the hammer becomes rotational which is why they start splitting from the inside corner like a revolving door as illustrated below.

 

Top view cross section

 

In theory, the solution is simple: keep the top part of the split closed as such (at right):

 

The point is that the extra material will support the prongs and keep them from folding in plus the whole length of the folded corner would act like an angle bar where stress would be evenly distributed; no corners to start cracking. I've already purchased some 1mm thick stainless steel sheet to prototype the design and should be able to test it out by the weekend.

[theprodigy]

1. To wetti:

I personally think its the greatest thing in airsoft to have a GBB m4, wanted one forever, i was actually getting bored of aegs buying the next newest thing, to the next, only to keep it for 3 months then i was bored.Repeat process, etc. Now with the GBB m4 every shot is exciting, reloads are interesting, and when i shoot i don't sound like a wimppy vacuum cleaner trying to sneeze. the recoil lets me know when i pulled that trigger stuff just went downrange. The charging handle works, everything on the Gun has a purpose. And my biggest + no issues of where to place the battery and dependencies on an electrical system. In other words wetti, this gun has single handily rejuvenated airsoft for me.

I personally want to thank you guys for having the melons to produce a product like this, and making it possible for someone like me to afford it. Marui is playing with plastic full auto hicapas. You guys are making freaking rifles. And their will be other companies turning out similar products down the road, but you guys were the first, the pioneers and most of us real fans of GBBS appreciate it and will remember this moment. There always has to be the first to strike that match, and you guys are that fire.

I believe most of the users feel the same way i do, granted its not perfect yet, but NOTHING IN THE WORLD EVER IS THE FIRST TIME. THATS HOW THE WORLD WORKS, YOU HAVE TO BREAK STUFF IN ORDER TO KNOW WHAT TO FIX. So once again thank you guys. - Sam

 

2. To complaining posters: if you don't like it don't buy it, if you already bought it sell it. Short of that, complaining and crying isn't constructive and isn't gonna stop your tampon from leaking. Obviously Wetti is on here so we can give our direct response to their product,(improvements,etc) what other company does that? And you know why they don't, to avoid the 10% of users like you. You knew the gun was new before you bought it???? what were you expecting? for the first time the users can easily input their ideas into a product through the actual company, and all you want to do is inform them how it's not perfect, and not meeting your standards, who the hell are you, is your name systema? Next time you guys feel like posting soemthing ask yourself if its gonna better the world in any way whatsoever, or if the world would be better without it.

 

3. There are people in this world that like advancements in technology and understand the roadblocks and speed bumps are needed to reach that next step, if your not one of those people, go and buy the most advance EBB AEG, and hope it doesn't vibrate your teeth out.

Edited April 21, 2009 by theprodigy

[Net Ronin]

NOTHING IN THE WORLD EVER IS THE FIRST TIME. THATS HOW THE WORLD WORKS, YOU HAVE TO BREAK STUFF IN ORDER TO KNOW WHAT TO FIX.

I like this . It is fun to explore and break things and improve it. No pain, no gain!

[rottenotto]

Renegade,

What I suggested the last time (when I originally broke one) is to do the following,...

 

 

Just use a small round hobby file and turn the sharp corner into a round one. (or drill it, whichever). Cracking would stop.

 

I dont even bother doing this anymore, however. I have a bag of these covers as spares. they are so afordable that it isnt worth modding. Thats just me however.

 

As I wrote before, we do this on drum cymbals to stop cracking - a round hole stops a crack. Or prevent one in this case.

 

 

Edited April 21, 2009 by rottenotto

[somegirls]

1. To wetti:

I personally think its the greatest thing in airsoft to have a GBB m4, wanted one forever, i was actually getting bored ....

 

So we all should just be happy and dance around a tree?

 

If I buy a gun or whatever product I expect it to work.

Doesn't matter if it's new on the market or not.

It is okay that "we" are now actually in the validation phase of the WE M4s Life circle but folks, it's a toy gun.

 

But to me it's more about the third party parts and not about the actual gun. And again, I don't mean Wetti!

 

The recent scenario that I bought that $15 o-ring set where the most important or the ring that is going to break first is not included. That is flat out just a no go.

 

And the fact that the stock gun shredds the #122 (for example) is a lack of testing. I mean, we found it, why didn't WE do in the first place?

 

And again, I am talking about WE, not Wetti!!

Wetti does a great job and tries the best he can to fix WEs flaws.

 

Let's not start a flamewar here and get back to business.

Edited April 21, 2009 by somegirls

[shinhk]

The WE GBB M4 does have many flaws that might make people shy away from buying one now but what people fail to see is how much people and companies like WETTI are doing to make the system work for future releases. Sure it may not be perfect out of the box at the present time but WE guns were never really perfect out of the box. So people should have expected to do some "work" on it when it first came out. The biggest plus in my eyes is not the low price or spare parts availability, but the amount of research and development being done to it. It may be an unorthodox method to have the customers do WE's research and development, but at least there's someone listening and doing what they can to resolve problems to make the platform better. I've kept up with all of the pages from day 1 and I have to say i went from excited about the news, to disappointed with the problems, to hopeful from the support. A company like WETTI is amazing simply due to the amount of work they are doing to improve this system. I don't consider WE to have any official "vesions" and I share that opinion with WETTI. People and companies like WETTI are improving the system so there's still hope that one day a WE GBB WETTI-AFC custom -whatevergun- will be released that's perfect out of the box. I don't own any WE guns but so long as I have this hope, a WE GBB -whatevergun- is still on my wish list.

[Number5]

hello all, Just recieved my 'Version 3' WE M4 from TQM in the Uk.

I've been reading the thread for a while now and noticed a few pages bakc someone asking about the 'Ver3's' from TQM and them not having any trades on them....

 

Now im not fussy about trades but im concerned about having V1 or V2 internals... ive taken a few picks of the bolt and nozzles etc for you guys to view, they do look different from the other nozzles ive seen, but ive litteraly had this Rif in my hands for 25 minutes so far so i havnt had a chance to properly explore it and i dont have any frame of reference other than pics, and if it isnt the product i paid for then i dont wanna risk damaging it either! (as it may get sent back)

 

for you viewing pleasure

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers J

 

P.S- this may sound like a dense question, but...how do you adjust the hopup? Can it be adjusted witout taking the barrel and the whole unit out? I can see what looks like a Turn wheel, in the 'Usual' place, but cant turn it. I havnt place any real force on it but thats because, again, It may get sent back and dont want to damage it any.(although Ive had a quick play with it and...Damn... AWSOME Piece of kit!!!!!)

[alston251]

Normally it's really tight out of the box. It is recommended to take it apart and put it back together. Then it should be smoother. Be careful not to loose the ball bearing.

[cocofr69]

Hello all

 

According to the idea of Renegadecow, here is the shape of a improved part #59:

 

 

I'm going to see if i can make it laser cut and how much it will cost for a stainless steel part.

Edited April 21, 2009 by cocofr69

[PaulB]

@ Number5

 

Yours is the latest gas version with steel internals and stabilizer block.

 

I saw Marks latest rifles at the weekend and was comparing them to my version one. I've been making mods to mine to bring it up to speed.

 

Enjoy!!

 

ps. Trades are an option. His latest delivery are plain.

Edited April 21, 2009 by PaulB

[redline]

Number5, thanks for posting the pics. Seems like you have the latest nozzle. Did you order the C02 version or gas? I'm kinda curious as to whether you got the newer brass housing or not...

[redline]

theProdigy, alot of the folks here arn't "whining". If they recieve a defective product, they have a right to voice their opinions. Without it, alot of the improvements probably wouldn't have happened and not as fast. If you bought a car and it was missing to motor, wouldn't you be upset? Am I happy with the product? Yes. Do I feel as though there is room for improvement? Absolutely.

 

But getting parts that don't work or don't fit is inexusable. Its a different matter if you're buying from a third party, but when you buy a product, you expect all the part to be there and for all the parts to work.

Edited April 21, 2009 by redline

[rottenotto]

Hello all

 

According to the idea of Renegadecow, here is the shape of a improved part #59:

 

 

I'm going to see if i can make it laser cut and how much it will cost for a stainless steel part.

 

Thats the dogs danglers.....you took Renegadecows excellent design a step further.

WE-tech should be paying for this. BLOWS AWAY their shallow minded design.

 

OTTO

 

[Number5]

Redline, I believe i did get the latest brass housing, i'll post more pics when i get back to my camera!

 

I was really happy with the platform at first, however after two mags, its stopped working!

 

It seems 'cocking' the rif doesnt push the hammer back far enough so when the trigger is pressed only a tiny amount of gas is realeased and a pop heard, not an actual shot. If i cock it, then open it up and push the hammer back further, it fires again, and continues to fire after each shot.

 

It doesnt function proper when I cock it the first time!

 

Any ideas?

 

So far i really like the rif, but im not 100% convinced of it, and wont be unitl it gets a proper field test.

 

Unfortunatly i only bought it with one mag as im waiting on the Co2 mags to compare and go from there.

[Hondatech]

Hi folks! Excellent work in this thread, I'm enjoying the amount of innovation you guys are showing on coming up with fixes!

 

I'm suffering from the same problem as Number5. Pulling the charging handle cocks the hammer, but does not move the internals far enough to set the firing pin. If I mag up and pull the trigger, all I get is the "click" of the hammer falling.

 

If I reach up into the magwell when the hammer is cocked, I can apply a tiny amount of pressure to the pin and cause it to click into place. After that, I can mag up, and fire it normally. It seems that under blowback, the bolt carrier gets moved enough to reset the firing pin.

 

Ideas?

 

Redline, I believe i did get the latest brass housing, i'll post more pics when i get back to my camera!

 

I was really happy with the platform at first, however after two mags, its stopped working!

 

It seems 'cocking' the rif doesnt push the hammer back far enough so when the trigger is pressed only a tiny amount of gas is realeased and a pop heard, not an actual shot. If i cock it, then open it up and push the hammer back further, it fires again, and continues to fire after each shot.

 

It doesnt function proper when I cock it the first time!

 

Any ideas?

 

So far i really like the rif, but im not 100% convinced of it, and wont be unitl it gets a proper field test.

 

Unfortunatly i only bought it with one mag as im waiting on the Co2 mags to compare and go from there.

 

[wraithxt1]

Hi folks! Excellent work in this thread, I'm enjoying the amount of innovation you guys are showing on coming up with fixes!

 

I'm suffering from the same problem as Number5. Pulling the charging handle cocks the hammer, but does not move the internals far enough to set the firing pin. If I mag up and pull the trigger, all I get is the "click" of the hammer falling.

 

If I reach up into the magwell when the hammer is cocked, I can apply a tiny amount of pressure to the pin and cause it to click into place. After that, I can mag up, and fire it normally. It seems that under blowback, the bolt carrier gets moved enough to reset the firing pin.

 

Ideas?

 

The same thing happens to me all the damn time. As long as I dont let the hammer decock the entire day its fine. Otherwise, racking it HARD sometimes works too.