quinch Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Yeah, very much improved wood finish from the HP version so far shown. Pity the metal finish isn't as "distressed", still, easier to distress metal than do the same with wood! Internals on both these is the key now...value over price? unknown until they're stripped, production models. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 i dont think i could bring myself to saw off half of the ARES's stock like i could do in a heartbeat for the HP. Frontiers, did you hear any mention about the internals of the ARES? since you saw it so up close? Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 i dont think i could bring myself to saw off half of the ARES's stock like i could do in a heartbeat for the HP. Frontiers, did you hear any mention about the internals of the ARES? since you saw it so up close? i did not talk with them as i tried to keep "low profile" if you know what i mean Link to post Share on other sites
The General Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 To be fair, the wood on the Ares is VERY nice! Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted January 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 It is indeed - but I'm still very wary of ARES stuff in general - they usually have fantastic looking externals, but shoddy build quality and horrifying internals. Hopefully their PPSH will be different. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 the tavor looked incredibly good also, but that build quality besides the sight is good right? Link to post Share on other sites
Kamigawa Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 To me, the Hp looks much better in many ways. I'd rather re-finish the stock on a gun than distressing the metal. I think the finish looked like paint on the ARES gun. Previous experience suggests that distressing paint on metal can be quite hard to get right. A blued PPsh versus a painted one. HP for me. Link to post Share on other sites
Clot Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I am very torn........ I have the money to pre-order the ares from the uk... Should I wait to see the HP ? Should I just get the ares? Its all about the internals for me, so long as its steel and wood on the outside. It has to be good inside..... Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I am very torn........ I have the money to pre-order the ares from the uk... Should I wait to see the HP ? Should I just get the ares? Its all about the internals for me, so long as its steel and wood on the outside. It has to be good inside..... main differences are HP bad looking wood and no blowback + Cyma Gearbox (ACM internals), small drum magazine capacity ARES absolute beauty from outside with blowback and ARES internals (how was the TAVOR internals btw? that came before this, i guess should be around same quality) ARES have been regarded anyways better than ACM guns i reckon but i guess its everyone opinion what they like. Link to post Share on other sites
Hammerfall Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 It seems like no competition from my pov. Ares will be shoddy, proprietary internals unless they have upped their game. The Cyma m14 gearbox is a merit in itself and EBB is quite a wank thing, that gets laughed at in my neck of the woods, to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites
akcomrade Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 drum is the final capacity of 800 bbs? how to load sound control? manual? or feed up automatic? thanks you darklife Link to post Share on other sites
Clot Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Hmm going to pre-order the Ares tomorrow. It will need super bashed up, and some high speed internals put in..... Link to post Share on other sites
GnGArmament Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 ARES PPSH-41 is now for pre-sale on evike (I suggest you wait until it gets into the hands of better dealers) http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.ph...oducts_id=32333 Link to post Share on other sites
Hammerfall Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Hmm going to pre-order the Ares tomorrow. It will need super bashed up, and some high speed internals put in..... Despite the likelihood of the internals being proprietory? I guess the truth will be in the proverbial pudding! Link to post Share on other sites
howitzer Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Anyone know if midcaps are planned for the Ares? Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 ARES video Link to post Share on other sites
kken Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 i just filled the cup. Link to post Share on other sites
Schultz98 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 damn that things pretty badass. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 pretty niceAEG, blow back is a bit "meh" but battery change is easier than HP version and looks like it uses a V7 gearbox too, easy to open and same G36 hop up... Customer reviews will decide the winner Link to post Share on other sites
Hurmekyna Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 That EBB looks like ###### and I don't have enough money for the ARES one anyways so I'll just go with the HP and refinish the wood myself. Link to post Share on other sites
Dmitri 091 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I'd like to point something out that I noticed: If the mock bolt is not actually attached to the piston (it appears to be the case at least), then you could simply lock the bolt in the open position. This would solve two problems for those who appreciate realism, the first being the unrealistic closed-bolt blowback system, and the fact that the bolt would stay in the rearward position, much like the real gun. Link to post Share on other sites
QQexDERA Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 pretty niceAEG, blow back is a bit "meh" but battery change is easier than HP version and looks like it uses a V7 gearbox too, easy to open and same G36 hop up... Customer reviews will decide the winner I beg to differ. Given usage of the phrase "Easy power step up and down system" on the Ares video, i'm thinking its another one of Ares' proprietry gearbox systems - as is the case with the "Easy power step up and down system" on their M4 variants. After several fruitless searches for spare Ares internals in the past, i'll stick with HP's easily-replaced stock V7 gearbox. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted January 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 main differences are HP bad looking wood and no blowback + Cyma Gearbox (ACM internals), small drum magazine capacity ARES absolute beauty from outside with blowback and ARES internals (how was the TAVOR internals btw? that came before this, i guess should be around same quality) ARES have been regarded anyways better than ACM guns i reckon but i guess its everyone opinion what they like. 1) HP wood doesn't look as nice as the ARES, fair enough. ARES +1 2) "Realistic" blow back which emulates a closed-bolt system when the real PPSH is an open bolt design... No. ARES -1 3) HP uses a CYMA Ver7 gearbox and G36c hop-up unit, ARES uses their own propietary gearbox and hop-up design. I'd much rather have a decent and MORE IMPORTANTLY easily repairable gearbox and hop-up unit. HP +1 4) ARES have not generally been considered better than ACM. Have you ever had to work on ARES/STAR guns? Ridiculously ###### internals and horrific QC. drum is the final capacity of 800 bbs? how to load sound control? manual? or feed up automatic? thanks you darklife Manual - there may be a motorised version in the works after the stick midcaps are released. pretty niceAEG, blow back is a bit "meh" but battery change is easier than HP version and looks like it uses a V7 gearbox too, easy to open and same G36 hop up... Customer reviews will decide the winner The PPSH uses an ARES-only gearbox and hop-up unit. Link to post Share on other sites
Clot Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Right you guys have swayed it for me. The first thing I do with my guns is open them and install heavy wire, mosfets, fast motors, etc etc! I think the HP will be the one I go for..... Electric blowback does nothing for me, and I will be semi-destroying the wood for a VERY worn effect, not to mention the steel weathering..... Last question though... I have barely worked on m14's ... are they the same gears as a normal v3 aeg? Link to post Share on other sites
1st_shooter Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Dunno if this has been reported but a vidio has popped up on gunner airsoft http://www.gunnerairsoft.com/catalog/index.php?language=en Link to post Share on other sites
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