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APS CAM870 Impressions

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So far the annoyance is getting hold of one that isnt massively overpriced in the UK.
Sadly APS do not ship to the UK for some reason.

Didnt know Dominator shottys can be modded though, I will look into that.

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Pretty sure he means these, which I guess technically would be "MKIII"/GEN3 shells.

Looks like another step to speeding up reloading of shells.

Not yet listed on APSs own web shop site though, and don't think I've seen them listed for sale anywhere yet.

Possibly only compatible with MKII? :o 

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Well that is certainly interesting.
I would presume they are MKII only, perhaps these are also APS's response to the poor power/range of the MKII system?

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Looks like there's a MKIII system on the way. Appears that it's not gas-in-bolt but retaining some design features of the MKII bolts.

One of the comments in Chinese said something like "Law suit won?". Perhaps meaning the legal battle which got them in trouble for the MKI system forcing them to make the MKII may have been cleared.

 

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Interesting indeed. 

Apart from gas in bolt though what we're the differences? 

Wonder if we will see Mkiv shells now then. Gas in shell plus quick loading would be rad. 

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Oh nice, good to see things are still being developed for this platform, it was a sad sight to see MK1 increasingly being phased out, good to see the MK3 sticking to gas in shell...! 

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4 hours ago, Reppyboyo said:

Interesting indeed. 

Apart from gas in bolt though what we're the differences? 

Wonder if we will see Mkiv shells now then. Gas in shell plus quick loading would be rad. 

The cap at the rear that can be unscrewed, like on the MKII bolts. Also the gold/TiN rim around the front of the firing pin is new and like MKII, not sure what it does though but the MKI don't look like that.

And as per the comment on the FB post the bolt plate is steel on this MKIII iteration. 

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More details here:

https://www.popularairsoft.com/news/aps-announce-new-cam-mk3-shotgun

Only thing that seems worth mentioning is they reckon it is more powerful (360 ~ 380 FPS) due to the longer pin.
Might grab one when I have spare cash lying around but will stick to my MK1 for now.

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APS posted a video on FB today and shows FPS ~350-ish and in the comments they confirm release in October.

Good that MKIII is coming but don't really feel like I need to grab one ASAP considering the small changes over MKI.

 

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Someone messaged me on Facebook a while back saying that their MKII forend tube arms were too short to work in a MKI setup. I hadn't tested this myself and found it a bit strange as I had asked APS directly and was assured you could interchange the MKI and MKII bolts between systems without additional changes.

Maybe you can make it work by switching out the bolt plate between the bolts as well.

Browsing APS website just now it appears there is a change in the forend tube setup and arms :o 

Also looks like the bolt plate will be different.

As per this reference picture, and the warning text: *** It does not fits Old CAM 870 using Old Push Pin Bolt

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REFhttp://www.aps-concept.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_115&product_id=1384

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For the, like, three people who might be tempted to attempt such a project: The APS CAM870 fits in a Bullpup Unlimited conversion kit with minimal modification. Did it in about two hours, no power tools, just some trimming of plastic on the conversion plate (the piece that bolts to the rear of the receiver) and a bit of shimming to get it to attach at the correct angle.

This image is with a 24" barrel, but the overall length is just 33", and it's perfectly balanced over the pistol grip. The pump action is a little rougher and the trigger is garbage, but hey, it works.

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By the way, I messaged APS asking what it would take to switch from the MkI to the MkIII system. They emailed me back:

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New MKIII system use push pin system same as CAM MKI. It is designed for customer who owned MKII likely to switch to MKIII

 
MKI user do not need to convert to MKIII because the firing system is the same.
 
The main different between MKI and MKIII is that MKI has the potential to install real gun 870 parts in it where some countries are prohibited. MKIII system is a modified version of MKI where no real gun parts could be used

To which I asked if there was any difference in performance, since their release photo showed a pretty high FPS, and got this reply:

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MKI can also shoot 320 ~ 340 FPS when you are charing the shell with 88g Co2

 
So there are no big different in performance. If 10 FPS is a matter and you insist of upgrading to MKIII system, you have to change the bolt, change the bolt plate, change the forend cradle and change the body receiver, thats cost a lot of money and never worth it. (Butt stock, trigger system, barrel no need to change)

So there you have it- it's the MkI resurrected, without as much real-steel compatibility.

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