Titleist Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 i know that, I think most of us already knew about the seam lines, they're extremely obivous. Link to post Share on other sites
formvb Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 The guarder kit now. Â I red a lot of stuff in this thread about metal kit of PGC, G&P, Action, Creation, Prime for the p226. I knew when I ordered my Guarder kit that it'll not be the prettiest I could find. But I thought it was a good ratio between quality and price. I think now that I was wrong... Â Pictures ? Here they are. Â Slide : Â Â Â Â Â Â Frame : Â Â Â Â Â Â I know it's moulded and not machined, but you can really do better than that. Comparatively, the frame is better finished than the slide. Â I bought a guarder barrel with this kit. It didn't even sit on the slide. Barbs all over there prevent it to sit correctly. I'd have to sand these barbs and I'll say goodbye to the finish. Â Awful and I think (IMHO) that it's not a good ratio quality/price. Â G&P, or Action are worse than that ? I doubt. And they are cheaper. Creation, PGC and Prime are better tant that ? For sure. How not to be ? Â Now, what to do ? Buy an other metal kit ? Sell all the stuff and buy an other gun ? Titleist, I can well believe that it's the better base for a good skirmish pistol but, IMHO, there's a lot of work (and money to spend) for achieving this goal. Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Titleist, I can well believe that it's the better base for a good skirmish pistol but, IMHO, there's a lot of work (and money to spend) for achieving this goal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â lol, what hobby did you think you were into again? hehe. Link to post Share on other sites
formvb Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 (edited) lol, what hobby did you think you were into again? hehe. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â titleist, I know that. I owned 20 pistols, 4 sniper rifles and a lot of accessories. All this stuff cost me a lot of money... I sold a lot of guns, and now own only 2 rifles and 2 pistols. No 3, with the p226, but I don't know if i'll keep it. Â I knew that some of us can afford to spend such money on their hobby. But some can't. Even if the p226 is the better base for a skirmish pistol, I think you can find one wich is cheaper to buy and upgrade than the TM p226, with nearly the same result. Â I said I own two rifles : a CAW M700 wood and a Maruzen T96. The second one, upgraded, cost me twice as the CAW, wich is upgraded too. Â There's a few parts for the CAW, so the upgrade is limited but sufficient. Even if you want to spend a lot of money, you can't. That's good ! Â For the maruzen you can ! (spend) And I did it... Â Finally, the overall beter design quality of the CAW makes it more enjoyable to play with... I don't say that the maruzen is not a good rifle. Â It's not ONLY a question of money. It's more, IMHO, a question of overall quality. Money doesn't always transform bad, or ordinary, things in good ones. Edited September 6, 2006 by formvb Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 I was kidding, no need to get super serious on me. lol, okay? Â "Money doesn't always transform bad, or ordinary, things in good ones." no but it helps Link to post Share on other sites
formvb Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 I was kidding, no need to get super serious on me. lol, okay? Â OK, sorry to be too serious... Money is still a serious thing Link to post Share on other sites
jordan2139 Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Will someone please confirm the quality on the PGC kits are better than the Guarder kit? Link to post Share on other sites
formvb Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Oups, I forgot.  I try to find some pics of the Creation frame. I found pics of aluminium slide (silver) but no pic of the frame (other than the pics of the online shops)  I don't manage to search on this forum with advanced criteria  Do you you have links or pictures to show ? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 PGC seem to be THE BEST at everything, however, aren't their 226 kits the same price as a new AEG? Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 If by 230 dollars or so then I guess it's the cost of a new AEG. And YES the PGC kit is the best. I think the overal finish is better on the prime however. Link to post Share on other sites
formvb Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 And YES the PGC kit is the best. I think the overal finish is better on the prime however. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  But the prime lacks the trigger screw Even if the PGC one is not completly done, the screw is outline. There's nothing, as I can see, on the Prime frame. More over, navy engraving is not my taste.  With the PGC kit, I can approach this   Looks gorgeous  ...But I hesitate with that   For this last set, I think I need two PGC kits And I'm dead. Or the Creation frame and the Creation steel slide (the black aluminium slide lacks extractor). But then, I'm dead too  Will I survive ? Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Sorry but the Prime is more accurate than the PGC because the Prime uses no screw near the trigger frame to hold the trigger block into the frame. Because of this the Prime is EXACTLY the same as a real 226 in overal dimension, I have even measured this with my calipers on my Prime and REAL Sig 226. They're dead on. Â The PRIME is a replica of what current 226s look like, down to the markings, the PGC is a replica of the previous generation of gun. Â Now here's a question, why hasn't someone made a proper P226 slide/frame release?! The one from the Marui 226 is based on the newer SEALS style 226, whereas 99 percent of sigs have the lower profile version. Link to post Share on other sites
formvb Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Sorry but the Prime is more accurate than the PGC because the Prime uses no screw near the trigger frame to hold the trigger block into the frame. Because of this the Prime is EXACTLY the same as a real 226 in overal dimension, I have even measured this with my calipers on my Prime and REAL Sig 226. They're dead on.  I don't have the real p226, so I trust you. But, I was talking about this screw   The external trigger screw. Even if the overall dimension is dead on, this detail is quite disturbing. I don't understand why they do not made this screw.  When was introduce the new frame ? Link to post Share on other sites
Fade Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 (edited) Very nice 226s everyone! I especially like Titeist's replica of Jack Bauer's pistol, you've gotta show me the next time you're at Ord. Here's my little contribution, a very rare and customized tan teflon-coated piece (at least for now it is.) I received it as a gift just a few days ago.... Â Â Edited September 7, 2006 by Fade Link to post Share on other sites
Milla Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 That is super sexy Link to post Share on other sites
trfo2o Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 hmm looks like the new AEX custom painted P226's. Does it have the guarder metal kit? Link to post Share on other sites
Fade Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 hmm looks like the new AEX custom painted P226's. Does it have the guarder metal kit? <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Check and mate! Yes, this is a special baked goodie from AEX. And its the Guarder kit. Link to post Share on other sites
trfo2o Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Yeah those look sweet man. So it's just a stock marui with guarder kit...nothing else? how well does it shoot with just a guarder kit on? Do you have the tan or is that OD? Link to post Share on other sites
Llama Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 sexy gun you've got there. Â (oh yes and my money's on tan) Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 I don't have the real p226, so I trust you. But, I was talking about this screw The external trigger screw. Even if the overall dimension is dead on, this detail is quite disturbing. I don't understand why they do not made this screw.  When was introduce the new frame ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  I don't think I'd called that omission disturbing, it's not that bad, dude.  Secondly, it IS THERE, it just doesn't have the cross of a fake screw like the PGC or other kits. Keep in mind PRIME was out first, WAY FIRST compared to the other companies, so I'll cut 'em a little slack:  Here's some examples of the different fake screws above the trigger guard, personally it's not that bad, you make it out to be some killer deciding factor when it's not.   Link to post Share on other sites
formvb Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 You're right, dude. Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 The PGC is probably most accurate, I just find the prime to be the most 1:1 in acurracy of feel and scale. I'm sure PRIME was rushing to get their kit out as soon as possible, otherwise they might have included that detail. Link to post Share on other sites
Fade Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Yeah those look sweet man. So it's just a stock marui with guarder kit...nothing else? how well does it shoot with just a guarder kit on? Do you have the tan or is that OD? <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Other than the Guarder frame upgrade over the TM base, its a stock pistol. My friend who has the exact same setup has said that the bb's have been veering off to the right a bit while firing. I haven't had the chance to test fire it yet but I'll report on it once I do. BTW, AEX offers an OD version as well... although I do prefer tan! Link to post Share on other sites
Rix Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 So just to get some things straight, which Sig Sauer P226 metal slide&frame (rail version) are the most realistic, compared to the real SIG Sauer P226 Rail? is it the Guarder version, PGC or the Prime? best in detail, material, scale, and markings? it might be kinda noobish question, and it could have been asked before, but who knows the answer? Â thanks in advance, Greets Rick Link to post Share on other sites
Rix Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 So just to get some things straight, which Sig Sauer P226 metal slide&frame (rail version) are the most realistic, compared to the real SIG Sauer P226 Rail? is it the Guarder version, PGC or the Prime? best in detail, material, scale, and markings? it might be kinda noobish question, and it could have been asked before, but who knows the answer? Â thanks in advance, Greets Rick Link to post Share on other sites
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