WE Gas Blow Back M4A1 Carbine

[snorkelman]

as far as the anodized finish goes anyone know if this can be stripped off and redone using the normal 'sodium hydroxide to strip and sulphuric acid bath for reanodizing' method?

 

ie is the alloy used for the receivers 'clean' enough for that (I quite fancy one in a funky colour but Id rather not resort to just painting it)

[WETTI]

Wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't point out that the literal meaning of 30+2 means there's space for 30 rounds in the magazine and 2 in the chamber.

 

Im really looking for a gun that will shoot a solid 400-425fps with .25s, but cannot be any higher. Which version is recommended.

 

Just wait a bit for the new 'power modules' options (very accurate fps rates) from a 3-rd party manufacturer the we just endorsed. I'll have more info. here when their products hit the market.

Edited February 14, 2009 by WETTI

[WETTI]

Has anyone tried an RA-Tech or Real Steel recoil spring replacement?

What would be the positives/negatives?

 

again I would just wait for a new after-market improvement part that will soon hit the market, if more 'kick' is what you're looking for.

[WETTI]

as far as the anodized finish goes anyone know if this can be stripped off and redone using the normal 'sodium hydroxide to strip and sulphuric acid bath for reanodizing' method?

 

ie is the alloy used for the receivers 'clean' enough for that (I quite fancy one in a funky colour but Id rather not resort to just painting it)

 

Yes, it can be done this way, but pls remember our body is of a different material than, say a COLT, RS body (which is forged steel), so the anodized finish you get may be different...but then again you're into 'funky colors', so I guess it wouldn't really matter.

 

Anyhow, the answer to your question again is "YES".

 

Good luck!! (& pls show us your finished product once you're done, alright? )

[Marky [UE]]

again I would just wait for a new after-market improvement part that will soon hit the market, if more 'kick' is what you're looking for.

 

An AWSS SCAR on the way

CO2 magazines soon. What's the release date WETTI?. These could really help some of my events, the environments can be pretty extreme...

 

 

I am pretty sure the gas mags would be damn cold after hanging out of the heli window. Not good if you get bumped during insertion

 

Lots of talk about new after-market improvement parts... this all sounds very interesting

Edited February 14, 2009 by Marky [UE]

[rottenotto]

Welcome on board to all those in the UK waiting for Monday to arrive. Here is my checklist:

 

• Sort any leaky mags out Gas Leak > Magazine
• Fix any non working bolt stop switches on the mags (I will take some piccies for my issues if that might help)
• Field strip the rifle Basic Takedown
• Remove the factory "drool", I certainly had plenty and it does affect how the rifle performs in my opinion
• Smooth the entrance to #112 so it feels smooth to touch (1500 > 2000 grit wet sandpaper), I managed in situ but better to remove
• Lubricate as per the Wiki maintenance instructions Basic Maintenance > Oiling
• Lubricate #39 with a high performance lubricant like Krytox (I used Abbey Dri Slide, not fully tested yet)
• Secure the valve assembly and thread lock bolt #36, ensure perfect alignment of the valve assembly Advanced Maintenance > Bolt Carrier - #36/#122
• That's all I did before the first shot, nothing broken yet and very happy so far

I know this is bit of a repeat but if it helps somebody great.

 

Hi Marky

Thats a great post! Crystallizes all the pages here into one nice preinspection checklist. Mind if I use it on the wiki post somewhere? Ill give you credit for it.

 

WETTI-

Im not sure how "exclusive" those anodized bodies and "custom fps rate" are. I have ordered 3 WE M4's - all from different Hong Kong retailers - all were anodized bodies (not the horrible black painted versions) and all asked what FPS I wanted; "high" or "low".

 

Also, each came with the short CQB outer barrel and a shorter inner barrel too. Didnt even consider that I "might not get this" since all came with it.

 

But I consider "anodized bodies and steel bolt catch" the start of the term "version 2" on the Internet.

Edited February 14, 2009 by rottenotto

[Lughnasadhuk]

Thanks for the advice on what to do before firing a shot Marky [uE]. I will receive my WE M4 from Landwarrior on Wednesday so it is good to know what to do before getting stuck in.

 

I am hoping that I dont get a lemon, but then I guess that is what a warrantee is for.

 

WETTIs posts are all very exciting news, I hope SCAR and M4 use same mags so I can get one at a low start up cost!

[Lughnasadhuk]

Has anyone tried fitting either of these handguard accessorys to their WEs yet?

 

http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=produ...product_id=2737

 

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/accessories/gri...dark-earth.html

 

I am keen to get a tan handguard but have not yet decided if I want RIS/RAS or the lighterweight magpul, compatability may help with the decision making!

[alston251]

I have ordered 3 WE M4's - all from different Hong Kong retailers - all were anodized bodies (not the horrible black painted versions) and all asked what FPS I wanted; "high" or "low".

 

rettenotto, does the power tune up kit or the stock kit make the difference of the high or low power? If so can you tell us how many Fps is high and how much Fps is low? And just asking for a confirm does the high Fps give a flatter trajectory?

 

And who do you reccomend to buy from out of all the Hong Kong shops? Best price, any asseeries(RAS), customer service, politeness? PM me if you have to.

Edited February 14, 2009 by alston251

[Marky [UE]]

Hi Marky

Thats a great post! Crystallizes all the pages here into one nice preinspection checklist. Mind if I use it on the wiki post somewhere? Ill give you credit for it.

 

Thanks Otto and Lughnasadhuk for the kind comments. Otto please feel free to use anything I post (it will obviously need a bit of editing though and I can think of a few enhancements now). I think my magazine bolt stop issues certainly need some more explaining. Both mags are now guaranteed to work since my tweaks. I will try and get some pictures and an explanation up so it can help the new arrivals.

 

Another simple suggestion for new guns. If they are fitted with a plastic orange flash hider. Pass a small screwdriver through one set of holes and then carefully unscrew.

 

I am really struggling to obtain some real steel mil-spec Magpul kit in the UK and none of the US suppliers will ship out of the country. Specifically OD versions of the MOE hand guard, MOE stock and MOE MIAD full kit. Any suggestions/offers would be appreciated. Can a civilian parcel this stuff up and send it to me or would that also be restricted under US law?

[rottenotto]

Has anyone tried fitting either of these handguard accessorys to their WEs yet?

 

http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=produ...product_id=2737

 

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/accessories/gri...dark-earth.html

 

I am keen to get a tan handguard but have not yet decided if I want RIS/RAS or the lighterweight magpul, compatability may help with the decision making!

 

 

The MOE is a direct fit.

 

The Larue (or DD copy) will likely present a problem for you. There is the issue of airsoft barrel nuts not fitting on the WE, - the WE M4 takes a real steel nut (threading). Bolts right on.

 

I have been able to use airsoft barrel nuts on the WE's, its just that they thread on tight.

 

If you decide to do this, no worries as the barrel nut threads will give out before the upper receiver threads of your WE.

 

Just thrad the barrel nut on - thread until it becomes tight. Then advance a bit more. Back off the nut a half turn to a full turn, then thread it on again. Advancing past your last stop point.

 

Do this until you have the nut full threaded on.

 

What you are essentially doing is chasing the threads - or making the two part "marry". You arent really rethreading since the thread is correct, its just the thread heights are different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rottenotto]

rettenotto, does the power tune up kit or the stock kit make the difference of the high or low power? If so can you tell us how many Fps is high and how much Fps is low? And just asking for a confirm does the high Fps give a flatter trajectory?

 

And who do you reccomend to buy from out of all the Hong Kong shops? Best price, any asseeries(RAS), customer service, politeness? PM me if you have to.

 

Hi Alston

The "power tune up kit" I received from William is the higher FPS valve that came as original in 2 of my WE's.

 

I have one WE that had the lower FPS valve (the floating valve is spaced differently in the machined "window" of the valve head - that is all).

 

FPS between the two is "350ish" and "500ish" - peak power.

 

Your mileage may vary.

 

But I can tell you with confidence that the higher ouput valve worked better with the overhopped condition of the gun. Nice flat trajectory with .28g bb's.

 

With the lower output valve, the bb's would fly straight up after 30-40 feet.

 

Once the green silicone of the hop unit wears down a bit from use - and if you elect to use the higher output valve - you will get a nice, far reaching, bb flight.

 

 

 

 

[chris u'5]

The MOE is a direct fit.

 

The Larue (or DD copy) will likely present a problem for you. There is the issue of airsoft barrel nuts not fitting on the WE, - the WE M4 takes a real steel nut (threading). Bolts right on.

 

I have been able to use airsoft barrel nuts on the WE's, its just that they thread on tight.

 

If you decide to do this, no worries as the barrel nut threads will give out before the upper receiver threads of your WE.

 

Just thrad the barrel nut on - thread until it becomes tight. Then advance a bit more. Back off the nut a half turn to a full turn, then thread it on again. Advancing past your last stop point.

 

Do this until you have the nut full threaded on.

 

What you are essentially doing is chasing the threads - or making the two part "marry". You arent really rethreading since the thread is correct, its just the thread heights are different.

Informative as always mate.

I wonder if this technique will work with the replica DD Mk.18 rail and the barrel nut provided?

Here in the UK I know of one retailer selling RS barrel nuts so I will try one of those too with the replica rail (I don't know if there is anything special about the RS DD Mk.18 barrel nut though)

 

On another note, Landwarrior now have the WE M4 listed as 'out of stock' so the initial shipment must have been all taken by pre-orders! I wonder if any other UK retailers will start stocking it? I hope so.

[rfisherjr]

Wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't point out that the literal meaning of 30+2 means there's space for 30 rounds in the magazine and 2 in the chamber.

 

Im really looking for a gun that will shoot a solid 400-425fps with .25s, but cannot be any higher. Which version is recommended.

 

 

thank you for catching that. Mag itself holds 30 rounds and 2 pre-loaded in the chamber so the user will actually get a full 30 rounds out of the mag instead of 28.

 

I am pretty solid with my information of these rifle as you can see from the post from WE. No hot air here. I just may not have every little detail known..

[WETTI]

Hi Marky

Thats a great post! Crystallizes all the pages here into one nice preinspection checklist. Mind if I use it on the wiki post somewhere? Ill give you credit for it.

 

WETTI-

Im not sure how "exclusive" those anodized bodies and "custom fps rate" are. I have ordered 3 WE M4's - all from different Hong Kong retailers - all were anodized bodies (not the horrible black painted versions) and all asked what FPS I wanted; "high" or "low".

 

Also, each came with the short CQB outer barrel and a shorter inner barrel too. Didnt even consider that I "might not get this" since all came with it.

 

But I consider "anodized bodies and steel bolt catch" the start of the term "version 2" on the Internet.

 

Yes, you are correct. All HK retailers bought from us, not from the Taiwanese exporter, so theirs is the WETTI-AFC Custom version. What I'm trying to say is if any retailing outfits around the world that would like to stock the 'real' WE AWSS M4, then should be awared & only purchase wholesale from us. WETTI is a wholesaler only, we do not do any retail sales or web-based sales.

 

FPS customization is something lots of the HK retailers are offering as a custom service. What I was saying is retailers who buy from WETTI can specify the FPS rate right out of the factory. WETTI-AFC Custom work closely with WE (the factory) & we have priority on EVERYTHING coming out of WE.

 

I think that should be clear enough an explanation.

[WETTI]

Thanks for the advice on what to do before firing a shot Marky [uE]. I will receive my WE M4 from Landwarrior on Wednesday so it is good to know what to do before getting stuck in.

 

I am hoping that I dont get a lemon, but then I guess that is what a warrantee is for.

 

WETTIs posts are all very exciting news, I hope SCAR and M4 use same mags so I can get one at a low start up cost!

 

WE AWSS SCAR will have both the "L" & the "H" version

[WETTI]

Informative as always mate.

I wonder if this technique will work with the replica DD Mk.18 rail and the barrel nut provided?

Here in the UK I know of one retailer selling RS barrel nuts so I will try one of those too with the replica rail (I don't know if there is anything special about the RS DD Mk.18 barrel nut though)

 

On another note, Landwarrior now have the WE M4 listed as 'out of stock' so the initial shipment must have been all taken by pre-orders! I wonder if any other UK retailers will start stocking it? I hope so.

 

For those of you who can wait & want warranty services, then may be you can help (us & yourself) by spreading the words around to your respective country's retailers that they should inquire directly with us so they can obtain the exclusive WETTI-AFC Custom version of the rifle, as well as full factory support on parts & accessories.

 

Once the dealership is established, further WE products (e.g. SCAR) can be pre-ordered & be in hands of customers as soon as they're released. (*remember WETTI has full priority over any Taiwanese 'toy exporters' on stock & production) That is a fact.

[Kraut]

Just wait a bit for the new 'power modules' options (very accurate fps rates) from a 3-rd party manufacturer the we just endorsed. I'll have more info. here when their products hit the market.

400 FPS please

 

Also, any word on higher capacity magazines?

[Lughnasadhuk]

Informative as always mate.

I wonder if this technique will work with the replica DD Mk.18 rail and the barrel nut provided?

Here in the UK I know of one retailer selling RS barrel nuts so I will try one of those too with the replica rail (I don't know if there is anything special about the RS DD Mk.18 barrel nut though)

 

On another note, Landwarrior now have the WE M4 listed as 'out of stock' so the initial shipment must have been all taken by pre-orders! I wonder if any other UK retailers will start stocking it? I hope so.

 

I managed to buy one today, although I had not pre-ordered, so there were some spare.

 

I know tacticalquartermaster is going to be stocking them if he does not already have them listed - worth dropping him a mail as he said on the 2nd of Feb that he was just waiting for UKARA registration to start selling them and expected to do so within a week. If I remember corectly he said they would be £320.

 

Otto - Thanks for the info on the handguards, think I will go for the magpul.

 

Also WETTI, I have to agree with Kraut, a 50 rd mag would be nice.

Edited February 14, 2009 by Lughnasadhuk

[chris u'5]

I managed to buy one today, although I had not pre-ordered, so there were some spare.

 

I know tacticalquartermaster is going to be stocking them if he does not already have them listed - worth dropping him a mail as he said on the 2nd of Feb that he was just waiting for UKARA registration to start selling them and expected to do so within a week. If I remember corectly he said they would be £320.

 

Otto - Thanks for the info on the handguards, think I will go for the magpul.

 

Also WETTI, I have to agree with Kraut, a 50 rd mag would be nice.

I checked Tactical Quartermaster and while he has some spares, no rifle yet I'm afraid. Thanks though, I'll keep an eye out.

 

You must have got yours early in the day because I checked early afternoon and they were all gone!

 

 

 

[rottenotto]

^ No problem guys.

 

We are trying to add a section at the wiki post for which airsoft parts fit (or can be made to fit) the WE M4.

 

Real Steel accessories fit the WE - but many airsoft accessories do not. Still weeding out the info.

 

 

[freq88]

thank you for catching that. Mag itself holds 30 rounds and 2 pre-loaded in the chamber so the user will actually get a full 30 rounds out of the mag instead of 28.

 

I am pretty solid with my information of these rifle as you can see from the post from WE. No hot air here. I just may not have every little detail known..

if 2 are chambered wouldn't you get a double fire? I can see the logic in 30+1,1 in chamber and 30 in mag, but have ahard time following 2 prechambered

[richie 1]

 

I am really struggling to obtain some real steel mil-spec Magpul kit in the UK and none of the US suppliers will ship out of the country. Specifically OD versions of the MOE hand guard, MOE stock and MOE MIAD full kit. Any suggestions/offers would be appreciated. Can a civilian parcel this stuff up and send it to me or would that also be restricted under US law?

 

Have you tried Midway uk.

http://www.midwayuk.com/apps/ebrowse.exe/b...60+***+8807+***

 

And Southern Gun Company.

http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/

 

You can usually get hold of what you need from either of these suppliers.

Also if you are desperate there are these guy's although they are not the cheapest.

http://www.tacticalsense.com/category.php~...R10+PARTS~.html

 

[Marky [UE]]

Have you tried Midway uk.

http://www.midwayuk.com/apps/ebrowse.exe/b...60+***+8807+***

 

And Southern Gun Company.

http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/

 

You can usually get hold of what you need from either of these suppliers.

Also if you are desperate there are these guy's although they are not the cheapest.

http://www.tacticalsense.com/category.php~...R10+PARTS~.html

 

Thanks for the info. I have tried Midway and SGC, didn't know about tacticalsense but no luck there either. Guess I will just have to wait for now.

[LordElpus]

if 2 are chambered wouldn't you get a double fire? I can see the logic in 30+1,1 in chamber and 30 in mag, but have ahard time following 2 prechambered

I would have thought it was obvious.. 1 in the hop chamber, one in the feedtube and 30 in the mag.