WhiteHawksan Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 I've seen it done with guns too! And other peoples mags, The guy who's mags I acquirred was a marshal at the site. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I have a few times "stolen" an armband from my local site. So easy to sling a jacket on when you're packing up and start cooling down and forget its there. Link to post Share on other sites
faramon Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I am unsure if this counts as stealing .. but I finished a day at the Mall once and had just thrown my last dregs empty can of green into a bin only for the guy next to me to hand me a almost full can and say it wasn't one of his it was one of mine .. I explain it can't be mine but he is resolute that it is not his so who am I to try and change a man's mind out of giving me a free can of green. Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Just thought of something else. Losers- people who keeps losing stuff on the field. How many times has a marshall asked us to keep an eye out for a pistol lost from a cheap dropleg holster recently! Or an aeg last seen leaning against a tree in the woods because they had no sling! I'm thinking about packing a metal detector in my kit bag for the next game. Must be hundreds of mags and a good few sidearms out there! Jim Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteHawksan Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 A player I knew once lost an ENTIRE M249 in the woods, luckily it was found again Link to post Share on other sites
Wild_XIII Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 People who don't admit to breaking stuff. I left my M60 by an APC at our site while I was marshalling a game, the M60 was reasonably out of the way and not likely to be moved/kicked/etc. I came back to it to find it was upside down with the box mag hanging off, the charging handle bent through the body and the barrel changing handle bent. Whilst I admit it was stupid to leave it where it was I am really annoyed by the fact that nobody owned up to breaking it. I wouldn't have been mad and would've said "It was my fault for leaving it there" and there would be no problems. Makes me a bit sad that in a game of honesty nobody could say "my bad". Link to post Share on other sites
Bjerhof Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Right, heres a new one of mine: People who keep whining about milsimmers. Okay, so you've met some twats during your airsoft years, so have I and most of em have been non-milsimmer. I'm tired of hearing "you don't need all that gear to play", not I don't, but I want to have it...because this is my hobby...which I do to have fun, and this is fun for me. Also sick of hearing people saying milsimmers take airsoft to seriously...why do you care? aren't people allowed to take it seriously if they want to? And all this goes for geardos/gearwhores to...just because you like to spend alot of money on gear you like dosn't mean you believe yourself better than anyone else (some may believe that but it's far from everyone). Link to post Share on other sites
loza_here Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 I see people firing nest to me, and their bb's are dropping after about 20-30 metres and i just want to shout "Turn your @#*/ing hop-up up" Link to post Share on other sites
Kenworth W900 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Yeah, you and me both loza - I had to help sort a guy out with an AK who was having to arch it 45 degrees all day because he 'always thought it was forwards for more hop' after having lost the little sticker which tells you which way it is supposed to be Link to post Share on other sites
Interficium Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Dudes who put their Magpul AFG/AFG2 as close to their magwell as possible and/or use it on a short, carbine-length RIS. What good is a theory-based project if you're totally going against the theory of it? Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 The whole Magpul thing is: "if it works for you" Link to post Share on other sites
Cannonfodder80 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 If it works for you Agreed, one of my pet peeves is people who *badgeress* about how others use or set up their kit Link to post Share on other sites
RSM Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Probably going to sound a tad arrogant but one of my pet peeves lately has been what I call 'lowest common denominator' gameplay/players. Just seems that with the influx of new players tainted by CoD a majority of them seem to play airsoft the same way they would online. Don't get me wrong, I think CKinnerly made a post somewhere about how he would hate there to be a ruling body saying "_This_ is airsoft and how you must play it" and while I can't say Stirling/Tier 1 style gameplay would be my cup of tea week in week out, what I've become accustomed to at my local sites is a fairly solid narrative based around a couple of different game types ie escalating engagement/objective retrieval/territory war/VIP escort etc - game types when linked together and have consequential effects round by round tend to favour the whole side working together in as big a group as possible, rather than 3-4s and lone wolves just out for 'kills'. Just frustrates me when I ask the group I'm with if anyone has a plan, every stays quiet, one guy goes "Duuuh run out and shoot um" and then I get these incredulous looks when I suggest a strategy to bring all our guns onto a flank, using cover that we've just walked past in reaching our start point, same goes for when me, some newbies and some of the home team regen and I suggest we take a route that is likely to be left unguarded and will allow us to move up on a building unseen and make a good position for fire and manuever up to the doors. Home team scoffs and moves out on their own, newbies follow me. Home team is heard getting bogged down in a firefight and cut down in 2 minutes. Tonnes of other situations that I can't recall over the last 6 months or so where you just end up thinking "Come on guys, seriously, engage brain, focus on the objective, use some strategy and tactics" It is nice however that you can keep a group of people wooping in windows wasting their ammo by standing in the open miles out of their effective range. So as of late, the depth/complexity of the scenarios has suffered a little on the basis that the overall standard of the players coming through seems to have declined - funnily enough it's not exactly hire players that seem to be the 'problem'. That said, I'm well aware of the argument that people pay to play therefore should be entitled to play the way they want to - fully agree, on the flip side for a game that so heavily bases itself around tactics and teamwork it seems hugely counter intuitive to play in a manner where you're more concerned with getting kills than actually winning the day. But that's just me. Link to post Share on other sites
loki7491 Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 I am pretty slack when it comes to life... situations don't get me peeved, as that is just an opportunity to put things straight. My only pet peeve is attitude to others. Noob in trainers and a rental AK Milsimmer decked out in authentic gear Obese guys with no fitness Olympic class athletes with beltfeds Guys wearing black SF in woodland Guys wearing camo indoors Brit uniform, non-brit weapons Too much tactics No tactics... etc etc I SIMPLY DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU WEAR OR HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME. We all started somewhere and have different interests that make us tick. As long as you are being gentleman like and playing within the rules, that is good enough for me! You have paid your money for the day - if you want to run about on full auto spraying thousands of BBs out of a clone gun, good for you If you are part of the £1000+ club and fire only one mag a day, good for you. If you lead from the front, good for you If you hang back out of range, good for you. Airsoft should not be "my way or the highway" - embrace the differences, rejoyce in the diversity... Link to post Share on other sites
farrasdevell Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 good words there Loki and RSM I agree with you both. Being someone who really enjoys highly tactical games, I have also noticed the down turn in tactical common sense gaming during regular weekend shoots. As a marshal i understand that there are always different levels of ability on the field but some times people can be outright bad at the game. Just yesterday despite having several grands worth of guns and gear between us myself and a team mate spent most of the afternoon running about after the opposing team either without guns or making mock guns with sticks, such as the .50cal silverbirch and bendystick bazooka. Why? because we spent the morning utterly destroying the opposing team almost at every turn. Sending the entire team back to re-spawn more than once after they tried to use the same entry point through some thick bushes literally walking from their re-spawn back into the same spot again and again. Neither of us are L33t spcops operators but we both have experience and a shred of tactical common sense, something far too many players seem to turn up without. Even with employing unconventional and fantasy weapons we both survived well inside the 50yards mark (even scoring a silent kill with my milkshake in hand after lunch) When one of us got shot the other would do mock chest compressions on the other and 9/10 would finish the 10 second revival count. We had fun ( and entertained the other marshals) but I found myself coming away from the day wondering if I should have switched sides and either coached or busted the other team a little to up their game. Everyone should play how they want to play but what if your bad game play or inability to perform basic field tasks affects the game of others? just musing.... Link to post Share on other sites
RSM Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Not sure if any of that aimed at me Loki? If I wasn't clear, I acknowledge and respect the fact that people can play however they want - but over the last couple of months it's been more a case of the scenarios being provided don't do much to encourage the level of play which has been the status quo for..well years. So the 'peeve' as such exists between both the site organisers and lack of willingness to work as a team/egos of some players new and regular alike. Working example would be from a few months back where there were about 100+ players in attendance, teams were split so there were two regular teams (number 6-15 each) on each side, one side seemed to have more regulars than hires on it. The side made up of teams + hires kerb stomped the regulars pretty much all day because they communicated better and it seemed like there was no less than 10-20 of them anywhere at any one time whereas the teams + regulars went off in 3-4s doing their own thing. This was with one of the more involved scenarios than simple attack/defend so you would think that with the level of experience/site knowledge being relatively evenly split you'd have more even engagements - obviously not the case. But what this has lead to is an increasing dumbing down over time which has made skirmishing just that little bit less interesting for me. My opinion is that the site should continue to hold the bar in terms of gameplay standards where it is and encourage people to play in a more team (not necessarily tactically) orientated manner rather than just make the game easier - if anything that probably simultaeneously inflates the egos of regulars when they stomp some newer players who don't know any better while also annoying some other regulars when they get overwhelmed by superior numbers because everyone's buggered off chasing kills with no long term thought for what the point of the briefing was. Link to post Share on other sites
loki7491 Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 got as far as reading "not sure if any of that was aimed at me , Loki" No it wasn't. It is just one of my pet peeves. I shall now go back and read the post! Been back and read through. I cannot disagree with you! But i am a firm believer of "choose your own destiny" kind of thing. I am military, have been for 15 years so i know my way round an airsoft field... on a Sunday i expect it to be a rag tag bunch from all walks of life with all abilities... that is part of the fun. If i want a more serious game, with tactics etc, i will attend an event tailored to that mindset. I may not have clarified my point too well, i just feel that as a paying customer you should be able to play to what style you like without getting heat from other airsoft disciplines. I have long been an advocate of hi-caps and "if you throw enough s*** at a wall, some of it will stick" kind of play, but it has now got too easy (i don't mean to sound like the love child of Chris Ryan and Andy McNab) but the challenge is no longer there. I bought a high end gun and reduced capacity mags. I still play at the same site, knowing full well what to expect, but i challenge myself with a view to quality over quantity nowadays. I get a bit of ribbing from the marshals cos for years they have seen me running, crawling, jumping through windows etc, and now i am essentially sniping with an assault rifle.... but that is mates taking the p***. What i dont like are the guys who think they run the show and order other paying customers on how to spend their money! Mostly, guys want to win and if a natural leader emerges, guys follow, but being told how spend my £20 by a guy who dosen't even know my first name kinda gets on my tits! I make a point of not wearing issue rig or bellowing orders at guys for the same reason. If they want to hear the likes of me gobbing off they can go to their local recruiting centre! The exception to this is when the head marshal (ex-guards) asks me to mentor some of the kids and educate them in fieldcraft, fire and movement etc in order to bring them on. I can be really frustrating when players are not doing what seems the obvious choice to me, and i really bite my tongue. Over time they will learn (hopefully). Just gotta take the rough with the smooth. Link to post Share on other sites
Cannonfodder80 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 A new one for me after this weekend is people who try to spread ###### stories about a site they don't like on the Internet. This weekend gone some little gobshite tried to tell stories that the on site shop at my regular site sells RIFs to under 18s. What insure shop would that be then? The closest we have to a shop is the site owner selling bbs and gas. He then went on to make accusations about the chrono being fiddled with to allow a hot gun to be used, something I understand is pretty much impossible to do Edit: I think I should make it clear that I really don't care if you like a site or not, it just narks me when people spread lies about a site simply because they prefer to go somewhere else. Put it this way there are a couple of sites I'll never go back to for one reason or another but I'm not going to start slagging them off and spreading ###### stories while hiding behind my keyboard Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I'm mostly the same way. Mostly. If I simply don't like a site, thats one thing. If a site, or the accepted behaviour of its players is blatantly dangerous or anything like that, then I shall tell any and all that will listen. A chrono can be fiddled, as they will have an adjustable potentiometer inside that is used to calibrate them. This will probably require disassembly though. Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteHawksan Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 interesting, I didn't know you could tamper a chrono, but that would mean EVERYONE got to play with hot guns lol if I come away from a site with scathing feelings, I'll give it another go in a few months, see if it was just a bad day, bad regulars etc. Lets face it, all our favourite sites have had days we felt were pretty poor, even if it's only once in a blue moon. Link to post Share on other sites
Cannonfodder80 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 If a site, or the accepted behaviour of its players is blatantly dangerous or anything like that, then I shall tell any and all that will listen. And you would be right to but when you're spouting stories which would make a classic Sunday Sport story look truthful then that's a different matter. Re the chrono he was saying it was fiddled with so only one hot gun could be fielded and then reset before it was used again, something I'm sure isn't possible without the right calibration equipment Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 And you would be right to but when you're spouting stories which would make a classic Sunday Sport story look truthful then that's a different matter. Your team plays at Tech Brigade don't you? Only been once and it was clear to me that it was a pretty sound site. Re the chrono he was saying it was fiddled with so only one hot gun could be fielded and then reset before it was used again, something I'm sure isn't possible without the right calibration equipment Yeah, to get it back calibrated correctly would take a reliable known value to adjust it against. Of course, if they're the fiddling type they'd more than likely just put it back roughly where it was and not bother checking it was accurate. Though that'd be a right ballache and would be obvious when the guy was spotted taking a screwdriver to the chrono between players. Link to post Share on other sites
Cannonfodder80 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Yes we play at Tech Brigade, thanks for the positive feedback Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 One that always and i mean always makes me worry and laugh in equal measure: People that wimp out because they only have x number of lives in a game, seriously why do people do this, is it because they are not confident enough in themselves to not get hit or is it that they want to be the last one left? The worst thing is when an entire team does this and you end up with only half your opponents putting in the effort making it all to easy for a clued up player to catch out the ones hiding trying to stay out of the fire and not lose precious 'lives'. I can understand that many people also find this an issue, same as those that sit just out of range for fear of being hit while everyone else is up on the front lines blasting away. Why do people do it is really my main concern though and how can you counter it? Give everyone unlimited lives? Make them understand that in a 20-30mins game (which most 'life' games are) they will spend more than 75% actually doing something if they get involved rather than 100% doing nothing if they wimp out and hide at the back? Though i find the best way is this, give one side unlimited lives, the other limited in a defence kind of game, i find a lot but not all of the people that wimp out get a bit more stuck in when they know it is all inevitable. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
loki7491 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 That is how my regular site runs almost every game. Straight attack and defend. Attackers have unlimited re-gen. Defenders have unlimited re-gen for a period of say 10 minutes. Then it's one hit and your out (Marshal clearly signals when re-gen is over.) It is then switched over and quickest time wins. More involved, multi phase game run along the same line, but this time the defense get one life for each phase. Most of the games are reversed so there is always the emphasis on the clock. Lots of shorter scenarios with admin time in between for re-bombing mags. This tends to get everybody involved, but strangely enough, even with this set up you get the invincible attackers hanging back. Other guys you see breathing outta their backside as it goes: Firefight, tag one or two. Get hit, run to re-gen. Run back to engagement. Firefight, tag one or two. Get hit........................ Still, they paid their money................... Link to post Share on other sites
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