PolarStar (cheesy) New Product Teaser

[Roland1014]

People are screaming for blowback, and they mentioned it before, but I don't know. Looks like they've got a v2 silhouette and are fitting things around inside.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/PolarStarAirsoft

[Brigg]

Well.. Ill be honest, Unless Polarstar is designing a gas in mag system, nothing they do will make me care. just seems like a paintball gun to me otherwise.

[renegadecow]

Scratching my head on this one. You get a PolarStar as it is the most stable delivery system to propel bbs making it the most potentially accurate. Throw in a bit of recoil aaand... suddenly we're back in the 80s where the hose is king. For what it's worth, why not just get a Daytonagun?

[Horsem4n]

i remember talking to them a couple years ago and they had already had blowback designs on the back burner. so i think it was always their intention to release blow back kits.

 

between it and a daytonagun, i can't imagine the blowback would feel much more than a marui recoil shock. but you still have the ease of FPS and ROF adjustment. while with DGs, you have to expiriment with different pressures and recoil spring strengths to do the same things (but in a more limited range compared to P*s)

 

personally, i like the idea. would incline people to limit the ROF to realistic levels.

[Norotor]

Scratching my head on this one. You get a PolarStar as it is the most stable delivery system to propel bbs making it the most potentially accurate. Throw in a bit of recoil aaand... suddenly we're back in the 80s where the hose is king. For what it's worth, why not just get a Daytonagun?

I'd say for versatility. There aren't as many gun choices when it comes to daytonagun, and many of them aren't even regularly for sale like the L85, sr25, kac pdw and MP5. Regularly stocked kits are pretty much limited to the M4 kit, AK, FAL and now the G36 kit.

 

A P* with recoil could be potentially be installed into anything that has a gearbox.

[Isamu]

Whatever it is, must be really hardcore if he is using shooting glasses just looking at it in the screen...

[PureSilver]

Scratching my head on this one. You get a PolarStar as it is the most stable delivery system to propel bbs making it the most potentially accurate. Throw in a bit of recoil aaand... suddenly we're back in the 80s where the hose is king.

 

There are lots of other reasons to get a Polar* - the ridiculous reliability, the lack of sewing-machine soundtrack, the ease of tuning and adjustment - that still apply just fine. Even if recoil throws your shots off, with a higher baseline level of accuracy it won't throw them off as much - and nobody complains that TM Recoil Shocks 'throw off their accuracy' if they've actually shot one for a while. It's not until you shoot a recoiling weapon that you realise just how lame the average AEG feels in comparison.

 

I think this is going to be very popular, provided it works well and provides a decent kick - in fact, I'd say it makes DaytonaGun more or less obsolete. The advantage DaytonaGun had was recoil - and that persuaded people to buy it even though there were awful downsides; terrible efficiency, parts that couldn't be swapped between guns, high cost and low availability. If Polar* can make this thing kick even three-quarters as well as a DaytonaGun, with much higher (potential) accuracy, similar cost, greater efficiency and availability and much greater ease of adjustment, they'll put DaytonaGun out of business.

[Inq Eisenhorn]

Strikes me that this whole "debate" is based on nothing official from P*. They don't even hint at recoil being an aspect of their development objectives.

 

That said......I've been on the fence with P* for a while now, all because of the hose really. I'm coming round to the idea that the hose isn't a big deal, all things considered, and I'm tempted to give this system a try just based on its suggested reliability.

[scorch]

Saw a thing on facebook where a guy had the tank mounted on the gun in the stock tube.

 

Can't imagine a massive capacity from that, but interesting none the less.

[Gigueand]

Scorch,
 
The thing you saw was probably the Redline Airsoft "AirStock Kit" which allows the use of a 13ci SLP tank attached via the buffer tube.
 
The Redline site says "700 to 900 shots per tank," but I'm doubtful of that claim. Maybe if the gun was tuned to a very low pressure and had low flow poppets it could be made that efficient, but a stock gun certainly won't get that many shots out of such a tiny tank.
 
The teaser from Polarstar is unrelated, but they have mentioned a recoil engine as well as a "budget" Fusion Engine in the pass. 
 
We'll all just have to wait and see.
 
 

I've been on the fence with P* for a while now, all because of the hose really. I'm coming round to the idea that the hose isn't a big deal, all things considered, and I'm tempted to give this system a try just based on its suggested reliability.

 
I've been playing with a Polarstar for 2 years now and I barely notice the hose. I run it through my plate carrier the same way I run my hydro and comm lines. If you're used to running a gun with a sling then the hose shouldn't present any issue as it's (imo) as unobtrusive as a sling itself.

[scorch]

May well have been.

 

 

The facebook app is so damn slow on my phone that I don't look into things as much as I'd like.

[renegadecow]

TM Recoil Shocks

I suppose that depends on what they dish out then. Any of the electric recoil guns and it's not much of a big deal. But since it's a gas system I imagine it could be boosted to WE AK levels.

[Wingmann]

I'd say it makes DaytonaGun more or less obsolete. The advantage DaytonaGun had was recoil - and that persuaded people to buy it even though there were awful downsides; terrible efficiency, parts that couldn't be swapped between guns, high cost and low availability. If Polar* can make this thing kick even three-quarters as well as a DaytonaGun, with much higher (potential) accuracy, similar cost, greater efficiency and availability and much greater ease of adjustment, they'll put DaytonaGun out of business.

I wouldn't go that far. The true perk of DG is that is a purely mechanic system. I like to think of it as those ultra-reliable old sewing machines: Millions of cycles just on a bit of oil.

The P* data cable gets broken quite a bit from what I read in the FB group, and you still need a working battery. I haven't broken my data cable yet, but I've killed a LiPo by forgetting it connected, as the system draws current continously.

[Inq Eisenhorn]

Be that as it may, the biggest "problem" related to DG is their low manufacturing volumes. If I had the available funds, right now, I can drive to the main P* dealer for the UK and have it in my armoury in hours, but, that's not true for DG.....even if you live in the US. So I'm lead to believe.

 

If P* starts offering all the benefits of DG, well, you'd have to be a complete DG purist to even bother.....hence, DG potentially being made obsolete.

[PureSilver]

since it's a gas system I imagine it could be boosted to WE AK levels

 

...of unreliability?

 

All it would take is the addition of another solenoid (to control gas release) and you could be unleashing virtually unlimited volumes of gas at up to 110psi, from what I can remember about how Polar*s are configured. With that kind of pressure you could generate a kick easily as strong as a real 5.56mm NATO rifle. That said, it remains to be seen what all this recoil would do over time to the rather fragile solenoids inside the Fusion Engine, and if you're having to wait for the recoil weight to return to 'battery' after each shot you're not going to be shooting 60rpm a minute any more.

 

The true perk of DG is that is a purely mechanic system. [...] The P* data cable gets broken quite a bit from what I read in the FB group, and you still need a working battery.

 

The data cable is a pretty stupid Achilles' heel, but at least it's just an issue of packaging and not a fundamental flaw of the concept. It may be, however, that unless the Fusion Engine is drastically toughened up before this system is announced its reputation for reliability might take a bit of a kicking.

[Horsem4n]

There are lots of other reasons to get a Polar* - the ridiculous reliability, the lack of sewing-machine soundtrack, the ease of tuning and adjustment - that still apply just fine. Even if recoil throws your shots off, with a higher baseline level of accuracy it won't throw them off as much - and nobody complains that TM Recoil Shocks 'throw off their accuracy' if they've actually shot one for a while. It's not until you shoot a recoiling weapon that you realise just how lame the average AEG feels in comparison.

 

I think this is going to be very popular, provided it works well and provides a decent kick - in fact, I'd say it makes DaytonaGun more or less obsolete. The advantage DaytonaGun had was recoil - and that persuaded people to buy it even though there were awful downsides; terrible efficiency, parts that couldn't be swapped between guns, high cost and low availability. If Polar* can make this thing kick even three-quarters as well as a DaytonaGun, with much higher (potential) accuracy, similar cost, greater efficiency and availability and much greater ease of adjustment, they'll put DaytonaGun out of business.

yes, DGs are in extremely low production. they are made by only a handful of people. but, they are extremely reliable. it takes a bout of idiocy to break one. the only consumable parts are $0.25 in orings, the rest will last a scrimmagers lifetime. and if a part does break, you can get it made by any machinist. the only questionable part is the hop up bucking, but when Rhopped, they last a long time as well and can be recycled when the contact patch wears away.

 

I wouldn't go that far. The true perk of DG is that is a purely mechanic system. I like to think of it as those ultra-reliable old sewing machines: Millions of cycles just on a bit of oil.

The P* data cable gets broken quite a bit from what I read in the FB group, and you still need a working battery. I haven't broken my data cable yet, but I've killed a LiPo by forgetting it connected, as the system draws current continously.

plus this^

 

Be that as it may, the biggest "problem" related to DG is their low manufacturing volumes. If I had the available funds, right now, I can drive to the main P* dealer for the UK and have it in my armoury in hours, but, that's not true for DG.....even if you live in the US. So I'm lead to believe.

 

If P* starts offering all the benefits of DG, well, you'd have to be a complete DG purist to even bother.....hence, DG potentially being made obsolete.

you have to realize that both P* and DGs are made for a niche audience. both have and can be supported on just their core group of enthusiast users. P* is an actual manufacturer with a nice CNC machine, DGs are made by amature machinists and real steel armorer hobiests. DG is likely going nowhere.

[swatti]

Jeah all nice and so but still, my "sewing-machine" (ics-based M4) is running fourth year with god knows how much thru it and still going strong. Nothing swapped, aprox 2-3 games a week and im notorious hi-cap user.

Still hit the 100m/s mark on the chrono so if i shell out 400€ + tank, hoses, etc... What do i get from PS? Recoil on the DG was a bit meh for me, atleast the two ive tried. My pimped out "tremors-kit" felt like you kissed a freight-train compared to that. While that particular one works perfectly its had bazillion issues.

 

And then theres the hose, while some dont mind, i do. Gas-in-mag leads to cooldown and kills the gun for 7 months here because of winter.

 

Ive been looking for an excuse to buy DG or PS but i there just sooooo much stuff you can get for the price.

 

Sorry for OT but can that Redline-Airsoft stock-kit be mounted on anything else then VFC and do they have anything less vomit-enducing looks-wise? PS-based silenced SR25 might be the excuse i need to jump into this bandwagon.

[Horsem4n]

Sorry, my experiance is a US scrimmage levels. Obviously an AEG would be plenty reliable at 1j power levels.

[NeoVeNoM]

If an AEG sounds like a sewing machine, what does a polar star sound like? when I see it on you tube it sounds like;

a Lawnmower

a valve operation

an air compressor

a Kärcher cleaner

a strand beast

a malfunctioning dvd reader

and at 70+ rps, it farts.

 

Other than that it's a nice piece of machinery. Still prefer AEG's though.

[jal3]

Here's what a silenced polarstar rifle sounds like:

[Roland1014]

I see what you did there.

[frogfish]

You can't compare DG production to P*, you are comparing a manufactuing facility with automated CNC production to two chinese dudes using a factory cnc machine during off hours. If SP or Escort was still around, yeah, maybe.

 

In terms of reliability, the FEs I've seen have been 'meh', I've seen stock A&Ks outlast most.

 

All an FE really is is a way to deliver tuner AEG performance without the knowhow needed to build a tuner AEG or the respect to use it 'professionally' (replace that with whatever word convays 'not like a twat' best), granted some people have been around long enough or are smart enough to follow the golden rule. I would say the cost is lower but by the time you factor in a good air rig and cylinders you are at the price of paying a decent tech to build you a DSG'd AEG.

 

In terms of talking about reliability, the DG system is based off of the Youth Engeneering system, I know of YEs that are still going strong almost twenty years later, and for real reliability look at some bullet valve weapons like LRB'd Asahi Bushmasters that send a .3g bb 300ft+ at 1.5J, and have been functioning since the mid 1980s.

 

as side note, once you are shooting who cares how loud you are, most people notice movement before they notice sound anyway. I also find people are more likely to hit shrug if they don't know where the fire is coming from.

[Simo_Hayha]

No Escort (I owned one, and know people who have owned them) ever lived up to the hype. The recoil was nice, the range and accuracy were naff. 

No polarstar user I've ever met has the capability of building a performance AEG. It's someone looking to buy their performance and they never have the experience or respect to use it properly. 

 

Polargay users are the single biggest problem for every event organizer I know. It's a shortcut to cheating and the twats know it.

[Interficium]

The last two replies in this thread have been completely ridiculous, and that was BEFORE Simo_Hayha started throwing in bigoted slurs.

 

Shame on you both.

[Norotor]

Hmm you know what, looking back at the picture now, only the cylinder is of a different color; I'm thinking it could be a system like that wolverine SMP that you just drop into the gearbox, replacing the cylinder/nozzle etc. Of course that would cut into their FE sales so meh I don't know.