rws591 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Hello Gents, I wanted to give you all a heads up on our TAR 21 development and release schedule. In light of the ARES TAR being released in Asia, I will try and provide you with some additional info we initially were planning on keeping private. Our TAR has gone through the first phase of prototyping, and as in any prototype, needs some wrinkles ironed out. Yes, it takes additional time and funds, but our standards are high. Realistically, round 2 of improving on our design and prototyping will take about 3-4 weeks, at which point you will all receive an update including pics and technical data. I can tell you however, that our TAR will include the following features: 1.380 fps out of the box, Ver. 3 gearbox. 2.Interchangeable outer barrel (CTAR and STAR lengths) 3.Quick release gearbox design - the gearbox can be pulled out with the release of 2 pins and utilizing the bolt release, a 15 sec cycle 4.Externally adjusted hop up 4.Fully electronic trigger and fire selector package, MOSFET and C code included 5.This is a new one...a GBB version to follow shortly, with 100% compatibility with the AEG. Pull the gearbox out, change a few simple parts, and you can switch between the AEG and GBB! The receiver and most major parts will be compatible with both versions. We appreciate your patience, and promise you the TAR 21 will be a truly unique and ground breaking airsoft rifle. Best regards, Guy Ayal TSI Armories LLC fixed post to indicate TSI is being quoted in the post Link to post Share on other sites
AustinWolv Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Wow, very interesting news. Thanks for the update. Can you speak to the GBB internals? Gas-in-mag or externally powered utilizing AEG mags? Personally hoping for the latter, but not complaining either way. Link to post Share on other sites
Fred Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Wow, sounds sweet, but sounds expensive =( Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Sounds very very nice. Although expensive but think there are alot of 'aftermarket' parts installed out of the box. I would also like to know more about the GBB internals Link to post Share on other sites
ollie_ty Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Sounds like the 'God' AEG Link to post Share on other sites
black shot Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 sounds like the definition of skirmishable out of the box...but at what cost ? Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 If we were to buy the AEG version would a conversion kit be made available for the GBB parts when released? Also have you guys nailed down a MAR price yet, or at least a ballpark price? Very excited, always been a fan. Link to post Share on other sites
tosuzu Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Will the price still remain at the rumored ~$500 Link to post Share on other sites
rws591 Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Ok to all the questions asking me to elaborate. I simply can't. I am not affiliated with TSI in any way. I had talked with Guy a lot earlier about the Tavor, and he said he would keep me informed with any news. I, and around 20 other people, got this email today with much surprise. I will collaborate all of your questions and send him an email, seeing if he can/will respond. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 wow, this is exciting news. i dont think the AEGs price will change from their previously stated price of ~500, but the GBB is a new story. i really love these guys. any chance they will tell us what the gearbox is made of and how they make it? Link to post Share on other sites
TSI Armories Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 To answer some of the questions presented in this thread: 1. The GBB components will be available as an "add on" package for those who will purchase the AEG version first. 2. The estimated price will not exceed $600, and will likely be less. 3. The MARS copy will be in the low $100 range. 4. We are leaning toward the "gas in the gun and not mag" concept, providing we can come with a solution that can keep the rifle skirmishable Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 well, since your going for internal tank, would it be cool if you gave us the option for a classic gun style external feed? i was sure yesterday that i was going to get an escort MP5 untill i heard about this. external air would be great for year round performance. i know its too early to say, but any hint at the estimated price of the GBB conversion? Link to post Share on other sites
rws591 Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 To answer some of the questions presented in this thread: 1. The GBB components will be available as an "add on" package for those who will purchase the AEG version first. 2. The estimated price will not exceed $600, and will likely be less. 3. The MARS copy will be in the low $100 range. 4. We are leaning toward the "gas in the gun and not mag" concept, providing we can come with a solution that can keep the rifle skirmishable Guess I won't have to to send that email after all. Yall should check out Righthook Fabrications and what he did with HPA rigs in his Sniper Rifles. Link to post Share on other sites
AustinWolv Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 1. The GBB components will be available as an "add on" package for those who will purchase the AEG version first. 2. The estimated price will not exceed $600, and will likely be less. 3. The MARS copy will be in the low $100 range. 4. We are leaning toward the "gas in the gun and not mag" concept, providing we can come with a solution that can keep the rifle skirmishable Thank you for the feedback. Great job overall. Hoping for an external feed option in regards to #4. Link to post Share on other sites
X Lupin Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Thank you for the feedback. Great job overall. Hoping for an external feed option in regards to #4. I agree with Austin. "Gas-in-the-gun" never seems to go over too well. Link to post Share on other sites
IronWolf Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 To answer some of the questions presented in this thread: 1. The GBB components will be available as an "add on" package for those who will purchase the AEG version first. 2. The estimated price will not exceed $600, and will likely be less. 3. The MARS copy will be in the low $100 range. 4. We are leaning toward the "gas in the gun and not mag" concept, providing we can come with a solution that can keep the rifle skirmishable If you do go for a gas-in-the-mag solution, please consider using one of the existing STANAG magazines that are readily available on the market (WA/WE based)! That said, I'd also vote externally powered, that way you wouldn't need to have two different types of mags, though it does raise the issue of a functional bolt lock back feature. Link to post Share on other sites
Kalmar Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 If you do go for a gas-in-the-mag solution, please consider using one of the existing STANAG magazines that are readily available on the market (WA/WE based)! QFT This would make me and a lot more people very very happy. Link to post Share on other sites
Gigueand Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 External gas combined with AEG mags is the best option for a true skirmish gun. Go with that option. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Whatever route they choose, 1/3rd will like it, 1/3rd will whine and moan about gas in mag or external rig and another 1/3rd will wait for someone to knock off the design. Link to post Share on other sites
X Lupin Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Whatever route they choose, 1/3rd will like it, 1/3rd will whine and moan about gas in mag or external rig and another 1/3rd will wait for someone to knock off the design. The 1/3 who moan about external air generally get very quiet when they get the chance to shoot a Sun Project M16. Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 The 1/3 who moan about external air generally get very quiet when they get the chance to shoot a Sun Project M16. Or they go buy one..... Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 The 1/3 who moan about external air generally get very quiet when they get the chance to shoot a Sun Project M16. Personally I have not been impressed with any external air gun, and an external rig would never work with the way I play. I've shot a few Sun Project M16's including some that had been worked up by AS4L, including one that belonged to one of the guys. I've tried the escort machine guns and giggled. The most fun was the MP5SD5. But either way, you completely missed my point. Regardless of whatever path they choose, people will whine and moan passionately. Link to post Share on other sites
black shot Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I personally look forward to a "gas in gun" system I never have a good place to put external tanks Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 that's why they are going for the internal tank(i say that can stick a tank in the forgrip and have a feed line to the working bits) and if theres an internal tank, there will be an easy option of just taking the tank out and atacking an external rig for the best performance. for a few ideas on tank placement, you can have a belt mounted pouch like what paintballers use (theres cheep ones available at any paintball store, even wallmart), or a dump pouch. or you can stick in in a hydration pack. i have a belt rig. or, just use the internal tank. Link to post Share on other sites
X Lupin Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Internal tanks (those within the gun) have never worked in fully automatic weapons. Even with tens of thousands of R&D dollars thrown at it, it generally fails. They even tried it back in the day with classics. Ask anyone how many shots you can get off with a JAC using the tank in the full stock. Also, what would it be? A liquid charge internal tank, or a replacable Co2 tank? They couldn't do liquid charge due to massive cool down associated with a an internal liquid gas, and ask RAP-4 how well their little(big) Co2 tanks are going for them. The best source of gas for a full auto gun is in its regulated, gaseous state. When you have the source inside of the gun, it becomes very hard not to get the liquid gas into the system. With an external regulator and hose it becomes much easier to separate the liquid from the "air." External tanks are not as big a deal as some of you might think. You can get very small Co2 tanks, and the setup can fit in medic pouches, radio pouches, camelbacks, buttpacks, mag pouches, belt pouches/dump pouches as horsem4n said, etc etc. Personally I have not been impressed with any external air gun, If an LRB equipped weapon doesn't impress you, I'm not sure what will. Link to post Share on other sites
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