Gerkahn Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 To be fair the topic did mention .3's for his m14 Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Is there an acceptable .3 that isn't so damned expensive? No. I've around 20 different heavy BBs, but the only thing I use is SGMs... Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 last i checked being a sniper was about the most expensive position, next to the geardo dmr guy on a team ???, a homemade ghillie suit and a boltie costs much less than most of the AEG's and "gucci" RS Kit that play at my local sites. People there spend £1000's on AEG's , metal bodies , Hicaps and batteries, then £100's more on Real Steel Multicam and vests and the like. I dont want to spend £10 on 500 SGM's if a better (and maybe slightly heavier) option is about to come out. I can get 1000 0.36 straights for that money or 3500 0.28 guarder HPM's. I get good performance from both and maybe when I finally run out of those, these magnum BB's will be out... But seriously, I dont think Sniping is anywhere near as expensive as running an AEG. Jim Link to post Share on other sites
MagnumBB Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Its all about trade offs. 5000 bb's for $15 or 500 for $19.99 All in all, your ratio of firing is going to be vastly different from a person who can fire 15 rounds a second. Some people leave the day firing 500-10,000 rounds, and others leave firing 20-100 the same thing happened back in the day for me in paintball. when everyone around me was tossing 1000's of cheap paintballs, At the end of the day, I only used maybe 50 really high quality rounds out of my pump. Sure my pump gun cost 3 or almost 5 times as much as my buddy's cheap mass produced semi. But I more than recuperated my costs when I went through 500 rounds in 6 months vs 60 minutes. This is a hobby, expenses are bound to happen. As much as a spend thrift that you can be, sometimes cutting corners leaves you wanting more, much more. The parts of a "Sniper" rifle are small in quantity compared to what an AEG has. Of our components, they cost allot upfront, but how often does your hop up conversion need to be replaced in comparison to stripped bevel gear or motor pinion. By choosing a bolt action, we are putting up low start up and small variables here and there for a larger up front cost and relatively low maintenance costs. This year, I might have spent maybe 200-300 dollars in airsoft and most of that is for entry fees and gas for the 80 mile round trip to my nearest field. I've spend maybe 80 dollars on a pack of digicon .36's and 2 packs of SMG'. Last year, I spent about 600 dollars to build my rifle and my loadout. I am not gonna lie, when my bb's are out, they are going to be priced retail very close to a pack of SMG's why? Because I want the highest precision possible based on what I can afford to produce. Molds don't come cheap. I could have sent in a pack of SMG's for them to copy and pump out cheap .30's like no one's business, but a copy is never going to be as good as an original. Something worth doing, is worth doing right. Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 I'd just like to say, that pending test results, I am going to be a loyal customer of yours for years to come, mate! When can we expect the 36's to become available to us? Ben. EDIT:: Also, Jim, don't forget gas! Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 For SGM-quality .36 I'd gladly pay $25 for 500 or even more... Link to post Share on other sites
Hammerfall Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 I know the topic is heavy-weight BB's, but i'd just like to throw in a recommendation for Blaster 0.30g BB's. They're just top quality Japanese BBs, that are nice and cheap! I've got a couple of boxes of SGMs at the mo' as well, i'll maybe try and A/B them with the Blasters. Forgot to mention, they cost £5.00 for 1000. Link to post Share on other sites
WAAPURR Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 What happend to PHX bbs? they used to produce a damn good .28 ,nicely polished and quality was consistent, on some of the bags from their last production they were offering heavier bb's such as .33 and perhaps .36 if i remember but seems they were never released. Any news about whatever happened to them? Eveyone in NY was buying them up and about 2-3 months ago theyve vanished. Link to post Share on other sites
bean Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 The company is bb ######. Join airsoft canada and search for the thread called heavy bastards. Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 how often does your hop up conversion need to be replaced It's a VSR why would I convert it? EDIT:: Also, Jim, don't forget gas It's a VSR- Gas? LOL! And magnum bb's in 0.36g at £10 would be good, but only if I can get them over here, transatlantic shipping charges would be prohibitive . Have you got any dealers/retailers lined up across the pond? Jim Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 i'd just like to throw in a recommendation for Blaster 0.30g BB's. They're just top quality Japanese BBs, They work great in my Asahi M60, but not so great in the VSR... Guarder .28 HPM is the best bet in the cheap BB sector. Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 It's a VSR- Gas? LOL! Uhmmm... I thought you were talking about bolt action rifles in general, and not just yours Also, VSR gas bolt? Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
black team-2 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 King Arms Gas Cylinder for VSR-10 Series Link to post Share on other sites
xiosis Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 King Arms Gas Cylinder for VSR-10 Series so... in theory I could convert my BAR 10 to a gas with that? Ive found that RSOV's .30 are not to bad they also do .36 but I've not tried them. $10.49 for 1000 Linkage EDIT: They also do up to .43 but those are 8mm... suppose thats not much use really Link to post Share on other sites
fal Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Don't get KSC .3g bbs if you are anywhere near sharpshooting. SGM is by far better BBs and major performance difference from KSC BBs. I have both bags so I know. I only use KSC BBs for side arms and SMGs. I too wish some company step out and make some heavier weighted precision BBs. I miss Digicon .43g although they were quite nasty. Heavy weights help a lot for people living/skirmishing in windy location/area. Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 SGM's suck. You can debate this all you want based on your bedroom calculations, but from actual skirmish experience, they just don't have the weight to give you accuracy at a distance. Sure, they're pretty good at 30 to 40 metres. But that's AEG territory. I like to shoot at further ranges than that most of the time, and SGM's won't cut it, especially with a cross wind. .36's are optimum for a 500 FPS rifle. .43's if you prefer a straighter, flatter trajectory over a gradual arc. Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
The Bushman Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 SGM's suck. You can debate this all you want based on your bedroom calculations, but from actual skirmish experience, they just don't have the weight to give you accuracy at a distance. Sure, they're pretty good at 30 to 40 metres. But that's AEG territory. I like to shoot at further ranges than that most of the time, and SGM's won't cut it, especially with a cross wind. .36's are optimum for a 500 FPS rifle. .43's if you prefer a straighter, flatter trajectory over a gradual arc. Ben. I found 0.29g SGM far better than digicon 0.36g in my setup. I tested them side by side on the same day. Even in the wind I would rather use SGM. They are are good for 60m after that wind has a bigger effect on them. I'll review the MAGNUMBB 0.36g when they are released. Good hunting Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 I've only ever bought one box. Used them for about 3 or 4 skirmishes, and found them to be utter rubbish in my set up. Switched back to .36's/.43's, and had much better results. I guess it depends what you use. Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 I've only ever bought one box. Used them for about 3 or 4 skirmishes, and found them to be utter rubbish in my set up. Switched back to .36's/.43's, and had much better results. I guess it depends what you use. Ben. Very much so. I have found that sgms suit my 500fps vsr's out to 70m over all else tried so far. However, I have a 400fps socom, with a lalax 303 barrel. Now this little fellow runs like a blinder on white digi .36's. Sgms are out of the question. & both my 425fps electrosnipers absolutely love guarder hpm .28's. (The vsr is pretty good on them but hates the digis) So, you are right, certain bb's suit certain set ups & there is no sure bb king. Try 'em all, see what is best for you. Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 If we post our rough set ups, and the best BB's for around 70M, do you reckon we'll see a trend? I.E. SGM's for VSRs, .36's for gas, etc? Or is there already a thread for that? Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
TheBauer Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 If we post our rough set ups, and the best BB's for around 70M, do you reckon we'll see a trend? I.E. SGM's for VSRs, .36's for gas, etc? Or is there already a thread for that? Ben. that would probably fall under the bb discussion thread Link to post Share on other sites
Hammerfall Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Just to add my two pence I must echo the past few posts, in that i feel SGMs just can't cut it when we're talking about 60m shots in my M700. However, they're incredible, and i wouldn't use anything else in my 500fps BAR10. I used to use digi .36's in my M700 exclusively, until they discontinued production and they were fantastic. Albeit, my M700 would never shoot much above 430fps (see my posts in M700 thread) i still found that SGMs simply didn't suit the set up, i really don't know. Like everyone else i am awaiting Magnum BBs .36's Link to post Share on other sites
MagnumBB Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 I'm working in it Link to post Share on other sites
farrasdevell Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 snell snell! Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Even the .30g's are drying up now... Could it be time to switch back to the P90 till this crisis is over? Link to post Share on other sites
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