Carsten Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 mh, good question since a good friend of mine wants to buy one WE M4 and I need some spare parts (and the steel nozzles ) for myself.. ..until those problems with AB began I'd would have told my friend to buy only @ AB and nowhere else because of the good service ( I bought my own M4 @ AB ) .. now I'm not quite sure :/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yehaw Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 are the new rifles already equipped with the steel nozzle and new Hopup/barrel ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vila Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 The new design hop-up with barrel is now available to comes with all the WE GBB M4. For standalone item, then we may need a bit while. I think mine may be one of first with this new hop up as my shots are firing nice and straight up to almost 200ft with .25g BB's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shriven Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 What model did you buy? Is this AFC Ver2 the latest model? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 the new barrels havent been released yet. the steel nozzle is an upgrade (like the aluminum bolt) TS one just havent received their nozzles yet(remember that AB is WE's #1 store front) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vila Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I bought the AFC version from AB. Like I mentioned, I'd assume its a version 2 (or would it be be a version 3, since the version 2 introduced the steel bolt catch?) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) nah, there really isnt any straight up versions. they have gone through many little changes material wase. right now, the AFC custom "version 2" has a steel bot catch, 350fps nozzle and trades. those were the voiced changes. when the barrel and reinforced charging handle come out, that will be the "version 3" Edited March 18, 2009 by Horsem4n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shriven Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 There should be some sort of "wiki" that should include that information. HINT. HINT. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Yup renegadecow said it all. Spot on on the half moon scar thing. I believe that's the major cause for the erratic flights. I'm using dry propane too. I don't think it's the hop rubber that's hurting the bbs since it's well... rubber. I would say the nozzle tip is the main culprit. Perhaps a brass nozzle lined with a softer material would work better? The nozzle rounding technique won't work, the brass tip works just too fast and hard on the relatively soft bbs. I get about 1 shot totally lacking power in about 6-7 shots too. I'm suspecting my bolt valve seals are dry and "sticky"? Absolutely not even possible. There is a huge difference between this Escort copy loading nozzle (blunt/thick/brass) and say, a KSC Mac-11, or Pegasus loading nozzle (thin/razor sharp/aluminum). This loading nozzle isnt scarring bb's. It couldnt. It would smash it to pieces before scarring it. (which I have proven) Just look at your loading nozzle, it is wide and blunt. Nothing like most other gas systems/nozzles. The erratic flight is >mostly< the cause of a craptastic hopup design. Well documented and the reason TS-one/WE is trying to do something better. New slightly better hopup design coming soon. Everything about the PRESENT hopup sucks. The material is the wrong durometer, especially for a gun firing 500 fps (!!) It is grippy, inconsistent silicone (not rubber). Also its shape sucks.....it is a tiny "microdot" that touches the bb. Rather than a speedbump shaped AEG style hop. The bb will either touch the "dot" head on (2% of the time) or go left and right of it - creating "hook". Take that and make it worse by a dirty and wet (even with NO silicone added) propulsion system. GBB rifles will never be as accurate as an AEG, especially on full auto. Thats life. The thrill of blowback and noise overides the negatives. But still, inconsistency remains as the one reason why "GBB rifles" hve been more "collector pieces" than "tools in the field". This gun is the best yet, but far from perfect. We are all working on it, Edited March 18, 2009 by rottenotto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) just so you have Mr. info right, WE is responsable for the new hop up, not TS One. TS One even put it under the WE parts section. Edited March 18, 2009 by Horsem4n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 ^ noted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
accuracy Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Take that and make it worse by a dirty and wet (even with NO silicone added) propulsion system. GBB rifles will never be as accurate as an AEG, especially on full auto. Thats life. The thrill of blowback and noise overides the negatives. But still, inconsistency remains as the one reason why "GBB rifles" hve been more "collector pieces" than "tools in the field". This gun is the best yet, but far from perfect. We are all working on it, unless you hook up a compressed air rig. no cool down, no liquids. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Question for William/AB: With the Steel nozzle, is part 42 (the valve inside the nozzle) also made of steel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) I've took some photos tonight about the steel nozzle assembly for WE Gas Blow Back M4. Actually this kit have 2 powers for you to choose. 300fps version and 480fps version. Only the nozzle made in steel. Please refer to the following link for both power versions. http://picasaweb.google.com/kcyauwil/Steel...EGasBlowBackM4# And these 2 items are now available at our store now. no, just the nozzle itself. Edited March 18, 2009 by Horsem4n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Oh well, one can dream. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Airsoft Buddy Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) For the new hop-up design with inner barrels (262 and 363mm), I will place order to WE today. I hope I can get it as soon as possible to place at AB for sell. All WE M4s that we are selling is already included the new design hop-up with inner barrel. Now all delay problems happened before time are settled. I'm fully 100% work at AB now. So your enquiry and orders will response not later than 24 hours. Edited March 19, 2009 by Airsoft Buddy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Thats good Is the inner barrel now different from the old inner barrel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Airsoft Buddy Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) Yes of course. You can see the hop-up is changed. And the inside of the inner barrel is anodized. So it's more smooth than before. Edited March 19, 2009 by Airsoft Buddy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Thats good. Keep us posted regarding the hop up assembly (Just when I got my rifle shooting good too LOL) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smokenghosts Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Hey all, I was wondering if someone could confirm something for me. I recently convinced a couple of friends to look into buying the WE for training since the economy isn't doing to well, and would allow me to play with my buds as well. (They only shoot at the range) But I was wondering if it was true that when you do a tactical reload one bb stays in the chamber every time and doesn't fall out if you shake the gun. This small little detail is important to them and me as well and would like to just get a report from someone who owns one if you all don't mind. Other than that excited for it as I can't wait to pick up one of these, especially with the new barrel and hop up. Thanks -Phily Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hazmatt Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Hey all, I was wondering if someone could confirm something for me. I recently convinced a couple of friends to look into buying the WE for training since the economy isn't doing to well, and would allow me to play with my buds as well. (They only shoot at the range) But I was wondering if it was true that when you do a tactical reload one bb stays in the chamber every time and doesn't fall out if you shake the gun. This small little detail is important to them and me as well and would like to just get a report from someone who owns one if you all don't mind. Other than that excited for it as I can't wait to pick up one of these, especially with the new barrel and hop up. Thanks -Phily There are no rounds left in the chamber once the magazine is empty. Unlike an aeg, the WE fires all bb's from the magazine and leaves nothing in the chamber. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus78 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I've took some photos tonight about the steel nozzle assembly for WE Gas Blow Back M4. Actually this kit have 2 powers for you to choose. 300fps version and 480fps version. Only the nozzle made in steel. Please refer to the following link for both power versions. From the pictures it would seem that the part #42 is also steel inside the nozzle. Great! I've been wondering about the possibility to adjust the power myself. Looking at the 300fps and 480fps versions, is the only difference in the lower fps version the length of the metal rod that pushes the part #42 forward? This difference looks pretty much similar as in the earlier "high" and "low" powered versions. So would it be possible to tune up the power just by filing off some of the rod? PS. I'm ready to order one (and some other parts as well) as soon as the new hopup and barrel is available. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tengar Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) But I was wondering if it was true that when you do a tactical reload one bb stays in the chamber every time and doesn't fall out if you shake the gun. I don't own one yet so I can't answer, but he's asking if you take a mag out before all rounds are fired will some fall to the ground - as with an AEG? I'd like to know this as well. I'm thinking no, since the mag loading tip looks like a GBB clip - and those don't drop. I practice tactical reloads with my KWA Glock. Edited March 19, 2009 by Tengar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
accuracy Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) I don't own one yet so I can't answer, but he's asking if you take a mag out before all rounds are fired will some fall to the ground - as with an AEG? I'd like to know this as well. I'm thinking no, since the mag loading tip looks like a GBB clip - and those don't drop. I practice tactical reloads with my KWA Glock. when the bb is pushed into the chamber before it is fired, it sits right behind the hopup and will not fall out, even if shook. however, when you take the mag out to reload, it's not like you can shoot DURING the reload. the gas is stored in the magazine, and cannot fire without it being physically present in the gun. Edited March 19, 2009 by accuracy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Chef Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 SmokenGhosts/Tengar No, they do not. There is no pre-hop tube to catch a number of BB's in, the loading tube feeds straight from the top of the mag the same as it does for a pistol. So a Beeb will remain inside the chamber if you change mag before its empty. Whether it stays in the barrel and doesn't roll out the front depends on how much your hop is on. Mine has yet to have a 'roll out'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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