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Anyone know how to increase the RoF? i noticed that the m4 rof is far better than my scar.

 

I've found that the most reliable upgrade for ROF was the Bomber Lightweight Bolt, complete with a RA-Tech NPAS and LAT piston head...now my WE M4 seems like a DAWG!

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I've found that the most reliable upgrade for ROF was the Bomber Lightweight Bolt, complete with a RA-Tech NPAS and LAT piston head...now my WE M4 seems like a DAWG!

 

thanks! btw, where did you get them? i know AB sells it but i dont think i want to order one from them.

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thanks! btw, where did you get them? i know AB sells it but i dont think i want to order one from them.

 

Airsoft Buddy seems to work just fine for me so far...I've placed several orders with another on its' way!

Get what you can from Ra-Tech directly and BoomArms for the light weight bolt!

Edited by Kevorkian

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Well I'm here, and I might as well ask my questions. I've read through the entire thread, and it helped a little. But still, there are problems with my SCAR that have not been addressed. First things first, my SCAR is one of the very first. Serial #24. And thus it came with all the problems the first production run always comes with. So far the problems include:

 

Bum Hop-up, nubs torn out after first 20 rounds.

 

Broken Stock (Fixed)

 

Hammer roller is seized completely

 

Wont fire full auto

 

Mags leak

 

Now, I can replace the Hop-up, repair the current mags and buy GG ones instead of Co2. I can even replace the hammer and roller. But what I cannot figure out, is why the heck I cannot get full auto? Is it because of the hammer and roller issue? Or is something else possibly gone wrong? I'd like to actually get more than one mag out of this thing before a new problem arises. Anybody think they can lend me some advice?

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M1abrams: i am afraid you need to replace your trigger set (hammer, disconnector, knocker/firing pin, trigger)

 

Hmmm, had a feeling that was the issue. Good thing I already contacted evike about an entire new trigger assembly. I also had a feeling that I got a lemon, and I do believe that this final straw proves it. Oh well, I still love the thing. And the fact that I've got one of the first 50 ever made counts for something. At least to me it does.

 

I'll get the lower bits and bobs all swapped out, and a new hop-up thrown in it ASAP. Hey I've finally found the one good thing about working for FedEx. The absurdly large amount of money they have to pay me for all this OT I've been racking up this holiday season :rolleyes: Hurray for working on weekends!

 

Thanks for your assistance break100.

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m1.

 

Full auto is a 3 step process.

 

1. the bolt blows back and locks the hammer back to position 1, if you have semi, this works

 

2. the bolt comes forward, triggers part #66 to reset the trigger, setting hammer to position 2, this naturally happens when you let go of the trigger or when the trigger is cycled normally via being in full auto, the part of the trigger unit that lets go of this and cycles to position 2 during full auto is probably your proble

 

3. if the trigger is still down, the gun fires straight from #2, if it's not, the sear is not released, boom, no full auto.

 

besides that, your nozzle may be plunging too far into the gun or your hop unit may be loose causing the nozzle to shear off your hop nubs.

 

I've a feeling something may be bent slightly, causing your roller issues as well as the other things wrong with your gun.

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Got the same issue, no auto.

 

The problem seems to follow the mags, but not in a specific pattern. First mag does only single, at auto the bolt locks in the backward position. Second mag does around 3 shots, then stops.

 

I can see no wear or tear in the trigger mechanism, nor around the bolt. What to do, what to do.

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It seems like I am the only one who has one of these that isn't trying to justify his own purchase. I've been playing with and working on airsoft guns for 7 years, I like to think that I know a fairly large amount about these ball bullet guns.

 

I would just like to add an honest and fair, no nonsense playability review of this gun. I got one of these and skirmished with it the other day. I would just like to point out that this weapon, as far as performance, sucks by design.

 

The reason this weapon shoots so terribly is because it is based pretty much directly off the escort system, with a trigger/hammer mech thrown in. Now, the only point to having an Escort-based gun in many years back was the fact that it was a gas gun that took AEG mags. They shoot terribly by design, the system is just not for performance. The only advantage of an Escort is that you get to enjoy the recoil and dump large amounts of ammo. Therefore, this gun is a cow without the nipples.

 

On semiautomatic, you get the same dismal performance as you would an old KSC GBB. That being about 100 feet effective range before the BB dies off and falls to the ground. This is good enough to get one or two kills in a close quarters game in the hands of a good shooter. It should also be pointed out that a stock Tokyo Marui FAMAS, shooting 250FPS, gets considerably more range than this gun, which is closer to 400. This is due to both the system used, and the fact that the hopup system seems as though it was designed by a yorkshire terrier.

 

On full auto, however, the gun really behaves like an escort. The inconsitencies, loose tolerances, and poor airseal of the escort system really come to light on full auto. The BB's ignore any sort of "aiming" you might do, so you might as well just not do that if you want to use the gun in fullauto. The bb's don't "slightly veer to the left," they shotgun, wildly at 100ft. It's as if they're being fired down a 12ga barrel. In fullauto, you may as well just lob entire bags of BB's at your opponent. It's cheaper and more effective.

 

As for the "woah awesome recoil," the recoil is formidable, but not near as good as an Escort. I was thoroughly unimpressed by the recoil, and with the slow, chugging rate of fire, it feels more like a team mate is trying to annoy you by wiggling your gun back and forth than any sort of recognizable recoil. It's not sharp, its sluggish and slow, and I hate it.

 

If you are looking for a "realistic shooting experience," don't get it. It's so sluggish that going from this platform to the real thing would probably take more time than if you had trained with an AEG.

 

If you are looking for a performance weapon to skirmish with, don't get it. It shoots like a friggin' KWA Mac-11 without the fire rate.

 

If you want something to play pretend with and take more pictures than you pull the trigger, then go for it, its fairly cheap and clicks and clacks.

 

If you recently inherited $250 from a family member who you really disliked and would like to rub your use of their estate in their dead face, then go for it. It will ###### them off.

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Lupin, that's the most awesome review I've ever read, period.

 

It's funny, because it sounds nothing like my M16A3. I was thinking of picking one of these up for mag compatability, but don't think I'll bother now...

 

Ben.

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Lupin, sounds like you have a poor copy of a WE Scar. I have two genuine WE Scar rifles- a black and Tan. I also have the WE M4 GBB and your experience sounds like you have a turkey or something claiming it's a WE GBB. The GBB system (Escort or whatever) is robust, reliable, easy to maintain and tune with many kits out there.

 

My rifles have good range, accuracy and frighten the opposition in tunnels! Of course you need to match the gas, BB weight and FPS setting with the blowback valve to suit the ambient temperature. BB weight must be over 0.3 to get accuracy. I don't use anything other than CO2 now.

 

And no I'm not justifying my purchase. I bought an M4- it was awesome and then months later bought a TAN Scar. Liked the Tan scar so much I got another in Black a couple of months later.

Edited by bbstriker

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Lupin, that's the most awesome review I've ever read, period.

 

It's funny, because it sounds nothing like my M16A3. I was thinking of picking one of these up for mag compatability, but don't think I'll bother now...

 

Ben.

 

Those "reviews" make me think that i must have bought some magical WE made by Fairies in Magical GBB Land, because although i had to tinker a bit ( my M4 is a v1 ) i play just fine with them. Not only i found it much more fun to play with but i also find them just as realiable as any of my AEG's and cause of that i sold practically all of them and just kept my King Arms, since for an AEG it's a great little gun and great for a backup.

 

And i'm surely not justifying my purchase because not only i love my M4, i went ahead and just yesterday i bought another WE M16! I was considering the SCAR, since it's a different gun and not a YAA, Yet Another Armalite, but i couldn't justify me buying such a butt ugly rifle and at least with the M16 i can inter-exchange receivers and have various configurations at hand.

 

Although i don't use full auto much, i don't do it with a 68 rounds AEG mag so why would i do it with a 30 rounder ?, but when i have to do it's just almost as accurate as in semi mode IF i hold it right, off course they'll fly away in every direction if i don't hold the little *bramston pickle* tightly.

 

Can't really say anything regarding the SCAR, but my M4 with it's standard bolt measured a ROF of 12bps with funny enough is on par as a real M4, i haven't measured with my lightweight bcg but it's pretty higher than that. Heck even with the standard bolt is as fast as my KA M4 ( stock ) with a 9.6v battery ( measured 13bps ).

 

It's like you're reviewing a completely different system/ gun, because my experience is the complete opposite!

 

EDIT:

 

Forgot to add something ... just a little note like X Lupin added, i play and work on airsoft guns for more than 3 years and play paintball for over than 11 and i've worked with them and thus worked with VARIOUS gas systems for that long, more than 11 years repairing and making custom gas guns. IF that counts for anything :lol:

Edited by danielsilva

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I think you have yourself a lemon. I have had mine for several months and it still shoots just as good if not better than my King Arms M4. Keep in mind that the hop-up will take a few hundred rounds to break in and you'll need at least .25s. If you bought yours from EVIKE I would recommend sending it back so they can have a look at it. They seem to have really stepped up their game when it comes to customer service.

 

 

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I thought the WE SCAR was totally a gimick, I bought one because I did have $250 laying around. I figured it would be a good wall hanger/backyard plinker. Then I got it and started shooting it, sure I had part#66 replaced. I did that before it broke. That said I put near 2000 BB throught it with no problems, except one of my mags likes to leak at the bottom near the fill valve. Accuracy is fair if you know how to tune a hop up. Sure it's not a TM SOPMOD M4 or a TM M14. But how accurite do you think firing a real gun/AS gun on auto is?

 

I'm a combat vet, did two years in the sand box. I can asure you besides the ammo wast, accuracy is your other reason for three round burst. While the kick is nowhere as hard as a RS gun. On full auto you should get an idea where the military term "spray and pray" comes from. An AEG on auto is an electric gun with nothing more than a real looking shell to give you a feel for what's "real" I've met many an airsoft player that has great marksmanship fundamentals, till we put a real steel gun in their hands on one of our live fire range days. Not knocking your reveiw, you have your opinion and are entiled to it. I have mine, after buying a WE M4 I'm loving the SCAR as well. Who has not upgraded and tuned their airsoft guns? It's what we do!

Edited by Special K

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Lupin, sounds like you have a poor copy of a WE Scar. I have two genuine WE Scar rifles- a black and Tan. I also have the WE M4 GBB and your experience sounds like you have a turkey or something claiming it's a WE GBB. The GBB system (Escort or whatever) is robust, reliable, easy to maintain and tune with many kits out there.

 

My rifles have good range, accuracy and frighten the opposition in tunnels! Of course you need to match the gas, BB weight and FPS setting with the blowback valve to suit the ambient temperature. BB weight must be over 0.3 to get accuracy. I don't use anything other than CO2 now.

 

And no I'm not justifying my purchase. I bought an M4- it was awesome and then months later bought a TAN Scar. Liked the Tan scar so much I got another in Black a couple of months later.

 

Ditto, I love my SCAR's...accurate & reliable!

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Ok so I bought this gun and for the most part I love it. I only have one problem when I fire it on semi- auto the trigger sticks after every shot and you either have to pull the charging bolt back or tap the trigger to get it to reset. I have looked in several places and the only advice I got was that the hammer bearing might be sticking. But I never got a clear description of what that was so I think its ok but im not sure and I was wondering if it could be something else.

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I had my SCAR out today for its first skirmish and I have to say the other players and myself were impressed with how it coped with the weather. We were playing in Dundee (the hill) with a fair cover of snow and with the temp possibly being as low as -5 celcius. Firing using co2 with a stock gun other than a RA-Tech NPAS.

 

One or two minor problems with the mags nothing that wasnt expected just trying to do quick changes of co2 and a little bit of leaking while setting up (two out of six mags) but this resolved itself having shot the the gas out.

 

Can't really comment on the accuracy over long range white bbs and snow (everyone was having a bit of trouble with their hops due to cold)

 

On the plus side the bolt cycled well on semi and even a bit of burst fire. full auto firing for the whole mag which we tried to see if it was possible, the result was that the mag froze a little making it more of a challenge to remove the cartridge once all the gas had ran out. The noise it makes well as you all know certainly draws attention and scares the opposition when you pop up from a hidden spot. I had mates on the opposite team who said they could hear it a fair distance away along with my team mates WA M4.

 

Considering the Stinger hop and some extra mags to make the best of the limited ammo capacity and for longer games.

Edited by PSK89

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The gun shoots like ######. As do the other specimens I have handled. My gun is mechanically perfect, I have inspected it thoroughly. It sucks by design. If you think that 100' effective range is good, then please enjoy this gun. However, if you want to win, get something else.

 

Also, I would agree about fullauto IF the accuracy was thrown off due to the recoil. However, this is not the case. You could put your gun in a vice and it would still have the trajectory of rhino poop in FA.

 

I admit, in semi auto its not the WORST gun I've used. But still bad.

Edited by X Lupin

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The gun shoots like ######. As do the other specimens I have handled. My gun is mechanically perfect, I have inspected it thoroughly. It sucks by design. If you think that 100' effective range is good, then please enjoy this gun. However, if you want to win, get something else.

 

Also, I would agree about fullauto IF the accuracy was thrown off due to the recoil. However, this is not the case. You could put your gun in a vice and it would still have the trajectory of rhino poop in FA.

 

I admit, in semi auto its not the WORST gun I've used. But still bad.

 

Sorry but it seems you've just got contradicted from actual regular users of the gun and you're just trying to get your point/opinion taken. I don't care if you had an Escort before ( big whoop i've tried it before too ), but they are just not equal no matter how much you *badgeress* about it.

The point of a review is to get facts and opinions from who actually bought and regularly uses the guns, not to get "ideas" from i-shot-it-twice-and-the-replica-sucks-and-i've-tried-a-different-system-too type of reviews :rolleyes:

 

I constantly get kills from 50 meters and beyond and get it with semi, not from lucky full auto spray and pray. Point is IF you have the replica and have issues please report them so people who are looking to buy it know the possible problems they might have, heck you could even post the issues and have other users help you with them but if you're just bitching around because you had one skirmish with it, didn't like it and come running to a board posting how the system sucks because you fired an Escort ... please i fail to understand how that's remotely constructive :rolleyes:

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I chose not to read the entirety of your post due to the amount/repetition of smiley faces.

 

However, I will affirm that I would not recommend this gun to anyone for skirmishing. It's fun to fart around with, but the performance is just sub-par for a gun shooting at/over 400FPS. I will re-state that a 250FPS Tokyo Marui FAMAS will outrange and produce better accuracy than this gun. It is not a high-performance weapon, it is more of a gimmick than anything.

 

Kills at 50 metres are nothing astonishing. I did say the weapon can get about this range in semi. Each and every one of my pistols can get kills consistently past 50 metres. I get kills past 60-70 metres with most AEG's, and 100 metres with my Asahis. I will also say that each and every one of my pistols, even stock, shoot farther and more accurately than this gun, and at a lower FPS.

 

If you are happy with getting some kills at 50 metres in semi, good for you, it's a perfectly mediocre range for perfectly mediocre skirmishing.

 

Also, thirty round, forty dollar magazines.

 

That is all I have to say.

Edited by X Lupin

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i figured out why we refuses to bring out higher capacity mags.

theres 2 reasons:

1) it would look bad in the eye of the people they distribute to that train for RS use. they dont want to potentially loose customers.

2) people primarily look for CO2 mags. in full auto, the CO2 capsule wont last passed 45-50 rounds and everyone asks for 60 rounders.

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I chose not to read the entirety of your post due to the amount/repetition of smiley faces.

 

However, I will affirm that I would not recommend this gun to anyone for skirmishing. It's fun to fart around with, but the performance is just sub-par for a gun shooting at/over 400FPS. I will re-state that a 250FPS Tokyo Marui FAMAS will outrange and produce better accuracy than this gun. It is not a high-performance weapon, it is more of a gimmick than anything.

 

Kills at 50 metres are nothing astonishing. I did say the weapon can get about this range in semi. Each and every one of my pistols can get kills consistently past 50 metres. I get kills past 60-70 metres with most AEG's, and 100 metres with my Asahis. I will also say that each and every one of my pistols, even stock, shoot farther and more accurately than this gun, and at a lower FPS.

 

If you are happy with getting some kills at 50 metres in semi, good for you, it's a perfectly mediocre range for perfectly mediocre skirmishing.

 

Also, thirty round, forty dollar magazines.

 

That is all I have to say.

 

Holly god damn! 2 ... 2 smiley's are like ... a collection! Are you serious ? Really you amuse me ...

 

Anyway, once you started to spew bull about hitting shot's at over 70m with most/common AEG's i just stopped caring, either you're just making things up to compensate the bull you've being writing ( really probable ) or you just don't know how to use the metric system ... PERIOD.

Seriously what you wrote is so out of this world and absolutely exaggerated that i just won't comment about it anymore.

 

Great you're happy with the craptastic FAMAS, good for you! I won't even talk about this anymore. Back to topic :unsure: ( OMG A SMILEY !!! SHOOT HIM! )

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The FAMAS is craptastic for anything but CQB unless a tremendous amount of labour is poured into it. Exactly my point as to why its curious that the FAMAS can outshoot this gun.

 

60 metres is just shy of 200ft. I'd say that's a good upward ceiling for most good AEG's. 70 metres, I admit, would be pushing it. However, that's irrelevant. If you want to continue picking at straws, go ahead. I'm not going to argue with Portugal's #1 airsoft grandmaster, that would be foolish of me.

 

The only reason I wrote that post was to give a perspective from someone who isn't trying to justify his own purchase. I've owned and worked on more guns than I care to remember, I, and all my customers seem to trust my opinion. It is in my opinion that the gun has disappointing performance relative to the barrel length, velocity, and hype. Your ad hominem responses are trivial at best.

Edited by X Lupin

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