Honzo Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Is TMC a reputable company? Has anyone ordered from them? I see hk at the end so I assume it is a hong kong retailer? If ginga has trouble finding one, i might consider ordering from this website. Someone stop me if I'm dealing with a terrible retailer! I have no experience with them. 650 is a lot though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DesertFox Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 TMC is a solid company, I order from them all the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berggy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Honzo. I think 650 is over priced. If u wait a month or so usually the second batch will come in. There has never a problem of TMs stock being limited like an iPhone. Surprisingly so many people desire the 416, even more so than the scar when it first came out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zaimon Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) i was lucky i got mine for $577 in echigoya. HK retailers are overpricing the marui products. lol anyway here are some tiny parts which are absent in the standard sopmod version the small gears for ambi fire selector. i was impressed. marui is so creative. Edited January 9, 2013 by zaimon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berggy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) Marui's designer was very thoughtful. They reserved the space in the gearbox to allow for ambi control in the very first model of m4. Maybe someone should develop a kit that allows all m4 version to have ambi control? Can zaimon please show more photos of it? Perhaps I can machine some if no one does Edited January 9, 2013 by Berggy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Megalomaniac Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hopefully we can just order the bits direct from TM, if anyone in Japan can score me a set or two, toss me a PM. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lacanuck24 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Tokyo Model Company has been a great store for me. Once in a while it takes a few days longer to ship but I always get what I ask for and they do their best to provide great customer service. They go to a lot of trouble for me since I'm restricted in what/how things can be shipped to me. Great store all the way! Got the first shipment of 416 parts today. Upper receiver with RIS and outer barrel. Feels and looks solid. Amazing finish. I remember reading something about Marui saying the 416 upper isn't compatible with the standard M4 (Sopmod/Recce/Socom) lower. Mine slid on like a glove, but there is a lot of wobble between the two receivers. 416 lower definitely has some minute dimensional changes, but since mine hasn't come yet I can't verify that. I'm assuming once my 416 lower arrives it will be a solid mating with no movement of the upper per marui quality. I haven't put any rounds through it yet. Not really planning to, little paranoid about causing any damage, although I can't really see how it would cause many or any problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DWZippy Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 What's the optic on that? Looks unusual! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
druid799 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 It's a T1 red dot . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GingaNinga Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I wonder if the RIS doesn't fit properly (maybe word is tightly) because the M4 doesn't have the notch in the upper receiver rail. I just noticed yesterday while playing with mine that the RIS has a tab-like extension on the receiver end that sits flush into a corresponding u-shape cut out on the top rail of the receiver. Sorry, on the train so can't snap a photo... That would surely help make sense of this description I don't recall this on the M4 and might affect fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Im going space Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Cough g&g can have ambi selectors cough Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lacanuck24 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 What's the optic on that? Looks unusual! It's a Primary Arms Micro Dot with removable base and a PA QD riser mount. Primary Arms makes some clones of Aimpoint optics, the T1 micro, M2/3, and CompM4. Not as Gucci as the real stuff but then again, not as expensive. Wish I could afford real Aimpoints, although I'm a bit of hypocrite since I'm acquiring some real Eotechs. Then again, how many decent eotech replicas are out there? Its a fantastic optic, especially for the money. Ironically the sweet mounts from American Defense, Larue, KAC cost more than the optic itself. My Recce blew out my Hurricane 553 clone and a friends. Our buddy steered us towards PA optics and things have been all good since. Great option for low cost, sturdy Aimpoint style optics that are RS ballistics capable so you know a GBB or EBB won't wreck it. Made in China, sold in the US, and apparently quite popular cause they seem to sell out fast. I'm sure theres someone else with better knowledge of the brand than me who could give better background though. I'd rather spend $100-150 on a solid RS optic than a titty-*albatross* clone with all the right markings but will take a dump on my ebb. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badsailor Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Just stopped by Echigoya in Akihababra earlier today and picked up a 416. They definitely have plenty left, I saw at least 10 on the shelf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zereck Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I wonder if it would be possible to fit this on the Marui one turning it into a M27. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
druid799 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) as long as nothings new with the receiver threads or barrel mountings I'd have thought Ris yes barrel no . Edited January 11, 2013 by druid799 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boom3r Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 as long as nothings new with the receiver threads or barrel mountings I'd have thought Ris yes barrel no . The M27 rail will only fit the newest versions of the VFC/Umarex HK 416's, it definitely doesn't fit WE, Hurricane or the older VFC HK 416's. Whether it will fit the TM one is anybodies guess until someone tries it. The barrel piece is CCW threaded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
druid799 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 He's rogered then ! The M27 rail will only fit the newest versions of the VFC/Umarex HK 416's, it definitely doesn't fit WE, Hurricane or the older VFC HK 416's. Whether it will fit the TM one is anybodies guess until someone tries it. The barrel piece is CCW threaded. He's rogered then ! ;-) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Megalomaniac Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Well the kit doesn't come with a new barrel nut, so if the rail fits over the 416's barrel nut, and the tab fits or is close enough to be fitted into the notch on the TM upper, then it should fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Honzo Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Just got my hk416 to the U.S. thanks to ginga who picked it up and shipped it to me. Love it so far, can't wait to skirmish with it. Definitely didn't need to tighten the barrel or anything like the sopmod, it is good to go!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GingaNinga Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Quick field report... Awesome, but nothing new. The gun fires, operates, and behaves like an M4. That is in no way a bad thing. The blowback is the same, and paddle operation on an empty mage, etc. If you have owned or used the M4 you know exactly what to expect. I haven't used a stock Marui for a while, usually doing an inner barrel and hop bucking switch as soon as I get a new gun, but I decided to keep this one stock for the testing. I forgot how fantastic the Marui hop is out of the box. Very consistent rounds on target at 45 meters on a head sized target. It's a fantastic bit of kit. The ergonomics in the field are great. With the thicker butt plate on the stock I can run it a bit shorter. I also took of the barrel extender part way into the day, and that made the 416D much more svelte in the woods. The 416D has reminded me why I love the NextGen platform, and this is a great addition to the Marui line-up. Now just to wait until the summer when they release the tan version Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Honzo Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 On top of the same points i would have made about the 416 that ginga has mentioned, I like how the barrel is solid. From time to time you have to tighten the sopmod rails as they get wobbly but this one is solid as a rock regardless of the external stress that would be applied. Also, the front and back sights make it easily removable on the field with less hassle then removing the a2 front sight. A minor thing but still a plus! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boom3r Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Well the kit doesn't come with a new barrel nut, so if the rail fits over the 416's barrel nut, and the tab fits or is close enough to be fitted into the notch on the TM upper, then it should fit. The problem will be the fitting around the barrel nut. You may be lucky if it fits over the TM barrel nut. With all the other versions not a hope as their barrel nuts have to great a diameter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Knightvi Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Really want this gun, love the HK416. However I hate the stock of this range. Anyone tried putting the battery at the front or anything yet to allow an LE or CTR on? Will have to go GBBR if not Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forti Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I haven't really paid much attention to the Next Gen TM stuff before, but I've heard conflicting stories of whether or not you can use bog standard stanag magazines in them, such as MAG midcaps or any of the PTS ones and so on. Does it work that way (obviously without the bolt stop feature) or is it next gen magazines only? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lacanuck24 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 You can use standard aeg mags if you use one of the adapters available. EBB mags are longer than normal AEG mags.The mag can still catch, but it won't reach up to the feed nozzle because of the hop-up design. The EBB hop-up chamber has a shorter vertical feed tube than a normal AEG. The real steel dimensions mean a shorter hop-up feed tube. The adapters are inexpensive tube extensions that can either be bolted onto the hop-up chamber, or even to the magazine itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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