renegadecow Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 So they're calling it the WE 654K. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.903384176352358.1073741874.302822296408552&type=1 Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Kinda funny, I would think Baikal/Izhevsk would be more likely to care about the use of the name 654k then just naming it PMM. Kinda wierd to name it after the BB gun but I guess it works. Too bad it won't be made out of real pmm parts like the Baikal 654k though. Also I find it funny how every time pictures of a p. Or pmm are posted on Facebook and the like, *somebody* will inevitably make a comment about 007. Like, it seems unavoidable. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 So excited, Never thought I would say that about a WE though..... 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 I'm conflicted about this too - it's a WE, which means it will be pretty budget, but at the same time there is literally no other blowback PM or PMM on the market. Choices, choices... Too bad it won't be made out of real pmm parts like the Baikal 654k though. The Baikals haven't used proper Makarov parts since the 1999-2000 models, AFAIK. They switched to cast parts from a blank-firing replica, which is a shame because they're s***. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Technically there's that Gun Heaven /Win Gun PM, which is pretty nicely finished but otherwise a wall hanger or holster stuffer. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 You're absolutely right - I've been trying to forget that WinGun exist, and it therefore slipped my mind. Does anyone know if the PM and PMM grips are interchangeable? You wouldn't think so (single-stack versus double?) but I'm hoping they are - the Bakelite grips with the star are just a much better fit to wood-furniture AKs and SVDs than the black polymer ones. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I very much doubt it. They're a wraparound, one piece design so the double stack PMM will have a significantly large gap on a PM. edit: You could always fakelite it I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Nope, they are not interchangeable. However I must admit I have waited too long for a Makarov so I might just buy the WE PMM and if KWA ever release their one then get that too. Nothing wrong with a pair of Makarovs from different eras as I like the classic and semi classic design. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted November 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 IF KWA will release their Makarov - it will be really... well... Makarov. WE "654k" isn't really Makarov and also isn't really PMM. It's something like "6mm copy of 4.5mm 654k pistol, but with blowback". Pretty pathetic IMHO. It's simply two diffirent products. If KWA and WE will release their "products" (let's call them that way, because they aren't "copy of same thing") at the same time i think i will get KWA. I will try to find nice KardeN gallery of PMM for your... PMM-12: http://my.mail.ru/mail/photoshooter/photo/26 PM and PMM-12 (comparison): http://my.mail.ru/mail/photoshooter/photo/2296 Link to post Share on other sites
Trap Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Do quite like the look of the 654k but I'll be another holding out for the KWA. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 The PMM in Karden's photos isn't the only example of a modernized double stack Makarov aka PMM. They made ones with slides resembling regular PMs too which is closer to what WE are making. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Is that hi point video a joke or can you actually buy a $4500 hi point? It looks so cheap at the end of the video. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 If it wasn't obvious enough, it's a parody on Salient Arms. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 If it wasn't obvious enough, it's a parody on Salient Arms. You mean the modern day Jaguar of the firearms world? Still with the PMM I thought it came with various slide styles anyway and could be mixed and matched like a PPK and PP so the above WE model is easily possible as a design. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Pompe Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 No need to buy the WE or any other Makarov since KWC is coming out with a version http://www.kwcgun.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=14&Itemid=112&lang=en and judging from the serial number it is similar to the KWC 1911 internals, one of if not THE best airsoft pistol i have ever used ! kicks like a mule (compared to some) and feels so solid all my other AS sidearms feel like toys compared to the KWC. They had a no blowback version out already i have not tried that one but the KCB-44AHN is yet to be released Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 KWC? Best internals? AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 yeah plus the KWC c02 makarov looks atrocious. like they started building another gun off the bottom of the magazine. definite pass on that. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Huh, didn't know KWC did a blowback Taurus PT92 looking thing. But late on the Glock and M&P models though. Why can't they just look at the ones others haven't done like making a better SP2022, or making that Taurus 24/7 NBB they did in GBB. Also perhaps not making everything CO2, for some of us having both options or even gas only is better. Still as for the WE, well it is going to be all of £90-100 or something like that. That will be perfectly fine for me in case it isn't great, seeing as the real gun is imperfect I might forgive the WE for being so too. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
DiscoBiscuit Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 IF KWA will release their Makarov - it will be really... well... Makarov. WE "654k" isn't really Makarov and also isn't really PMM. It's something like "6mm copy of 4.5mm 654k pistol, but with blowback". Pretty pathetic IMHO. It's simply two diffirent products. If KWA and WE will release their "products" (let's call them that way, because they aren't "copy of same thing") at the same time i think i will get KWA. I will try to find nice KardeN gallery of PMM for your... PMM-12: http://my.mail.ru/mail/photoshooter/photo/26 PM and PMM-12 (comparison): http://my.mail.ru/mail/photoshooter/photo/2296 If someone could perfect (or even attempt) to replicate the worn blue look of that Makarov it would fly off the shelves. Thinking KGB goons from 'Gorky Park'. Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 After WE releases this they should make a Thompson since no one else is doing it, and it Cyberscum tries anything, they can just throw on the Pulse Rifle body around it. That and they can finally release their shotgun. I remember them mentioning it in one of the comments in their Xmas video. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 King Arms is making one, or at least I think they're still at it. Link to post Share on other sites
tquilha Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 KA are doing a KWA as far as their GBB Thompson is concerned. Lot's of teasing, no release. Now, a GBBR Pulse rifle (with working GL) would be something amazing... Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Lot's of teasing, no release. Sounds like a girl I dated a couple of years ago. Link to post Share on other sites
NightFury Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Maybe Renegade could work something with WE so that the feeding mechanism in his China Lake will work should WE consider a Pulse Rifle. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Sounds like a girl I dated a couple of years ago. Should have sent her my way . Still come on WE, where is my Mak-ish-thing? 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
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