cpaxton Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 I think the police were right to shoot this guy, they cant go giving these people the benefit of the doubt. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah and he jumped a barrier and ran towards a train, I would be more worried if they didn't shoot him or someone doing the same as he was. He could and probably would have done anything to cause harm. Link to post Share on other sites
sniper_boi Posted July 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Apparently 2 suspects are hiding in the mosque <{POST_SNAPBACK}> probably there's 2 extremists hiding in there thats been preaching the word of jihad thus yeah work the rest out. Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie182 Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Hmm, 5 rounds? Not quite sure that fits in with the rule of minimum force. But hey ho, I say good job lads. Looking at the news reports about the situation I'd probably of done the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites
sniper_boi Posted July 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 one guy said that there were 3 police officers one with a pistol 2 with SMG's Link to post Share on other sites
doc_newstead Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Well, I just hope it was justified. If he was going to detonate a bomb on the underground, I'd have shot the *fruitcage* myself. Link to post Share on other sites
Xaccers Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Given the situation, I don't think they had much choice. Apparently he was identified as one involved in yesterday's bombings. Wearing a bulky jacket when it's hot and muggy. Possibly carrying a bomb (we don't know the police intel on the situation though) Could have a detonator trigger in his hand. Link to post Share on other sites
sniper_boi Posted July 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 true so true. Link to post Share on other sites
solution_zero Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Tango Down Link to post Share on other sites
joeking27 Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Given the situation, I don't think they had much choice. Apparently he was identified as one involved in yesterday's bombings. Wearing a bulky jacket when it's hot and muggy. Possibly carrying a bomb (we don't know the police intel on the situation though) Could have a detonator trigger in his hand. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was about to say the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites
snowman Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Save the SEALS ######, but (let's hope on two counts that he WAS a bomb carrier - One that he's dead and two that he wasn't just some idiot running late...) you can't seriously suggest this was inappropriate force. These people are SUICIDE bombers, let's not forget. They WANT to die and they WANT to take as many innocent (except in their eyes, of course) people with them as possible - There can only be ONE way to stop them and that, sadly, is with pre-emptive lethal force... Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
FarEast Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 why would police want to surround a mosque for?. unless there's something there that te police want to know about. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> read the links......bomb alert Link to post Share on other sites
snake_goth Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 seems fiting. im going to be keeping the tube of my camel back tucked intide where the resetvior is for tomorow intil i get to dan's. Link to post Share on other sites
joeking27 Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Random thought for the day: Welcome to the 21st Century. Link to post Share on other sites
Psaldorn Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 If that guy wasn't a suicide bomber he was just suicidal.. I'm Asian.. In a tube-station.. with a big coat on.. armed police everywhere.. they won't mind if I jump the gate and sprint towards that train! If what's been said so far is true - then he clearly had as much common sense as a flaccid penis. Who jumps barriers with ANY kind of police around? let alone ARMED police. Link to post Share on other sites
xRAZERx Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Hmmm not sure I buy the initial news stories yet.... Link to post Share on other sites
rizzo Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 You people saying 5 shots is a bit OTT... As has been said before, these guys WANT to die- they're not going to let a bullet in the leg stop them from detonating themselves are they? You take the decision and I believe you make sure he's down for good. Link to post Share on other sites
xRAZERx Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 OK So mixed sources say that three officers pinned him to the ground and then headjobbed him five times. Without discussing the effects of real steel rounds here, they were brave to carry on after two...... But like I said, I'm not sure I believe the news reports yet.. Link to post Share on other sites
rizzo Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Sky News says that the 'earlier bomb threat targetting a mosque has been given the all clear by the police' so there you are. Link to post Share on other sites
xRAZERx Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 OK A few points to those who PM'd me. It's not often you see armed police in plain clothes, so it was probably a surveillance job. The MET police have confirmed it was their armed officers that shot a man (they'll now be investigated by the Police Police) who was confirmed dead at the scene... Link to post Share on other sites
xRAZERx Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Jeez..... Shot on suspicion of carying a bomb? What, didn't the polics actualy check to see if he realy had one!?! Not good, anyway. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How do you check to see if a suicuide bomber has a bomb? Police have been given orders to shoot to kill if they believe someone is about to detonate a bomb. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They have? Where did you hear that? Links to your source please. Link to post Share on other sites
rizzo Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Police are believed to be under orders to shoot to kill if they believe someone is about to detonate a bomb. Sky News Link to post Share on other sites
azz Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Theres no way you'd hold someone down while they were shot repeatedly, its just a bad idea. Bullets can very easily ricocet (spelt wrong) of a hard surface such as a train floor, sometimes even a skull but not at this range. You don't want a stray bullet bouncing in to one of your colleagues. It sounds a bit suspect we need to wait for some concrete details. 5 bullets to the head would result in a red mushy mess with bone chunks in it. (sorry if your having your dinner) Link to post Share on other sites
xRAZERx Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Police are believed to be under orders to shoot to kill if they believe someone is about to detonate a bomb. On the back of the Firearms Authorisation Card it says The Law Section 3 Criminal Law Act 1967 and Section 3 Criminal Law Act (Northern Ireland) 1967: ‘A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in the effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large’ When making a determination as to whether the level of force used was lawful in any particular instance the courts will take cognisance of the articles under the ECHR. Circumstances when Weapons May Be Fired Firearms may be fired by AFOs in the course of their duty only when absolutely necessary after traditional methods have been tried and failed or must, from the nature of the circumstances, be unlikely to succeed if tried. (It is strongly advised that warning shots are a dangerous option as they may lead a subject or other officers to believe they are under fire or cause collateral injury.) Never know it change.... Link to post Share on other sites
screamin_weasel Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Theres no way you'd hold someone down while they were shot repeatedly, its just a bad idea. Bullets can very easily ricochet (spelt wrong) of a hard surface such as a train floor, sometimes even a skull but not at this range. You don't want a stray bullet bouncing in to one of your colleagues. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i think this is probably what xRAZERx was referring to...... Link to post Share on other sites
rizzo Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Who knows what powers the police have after the Anti-Terrorist Act? Perhaps the rules of engagement are different? Link to post Share on other sites
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