Danke Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 It is horrible, it must be sent to me now so it can either be put down, or sprayed with tan krylon! Link to post Share on other sites
Kingmob3 Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 I'd disagree on all of that, the reason that the straps look odd is that they are tan (CP shading of course ) then printed with the MC pattern on them. If you look at how the CAGE system is assembled, and how its predecessors were done they are very similar, the reason they got rid of the fixed shoulder locks is due to the fact that they were fixed. You can also get the CAGE with the CRYE shaped plates that are very similar to the Gen 1, just as you were able to get the Gen 1 with either SAPI or Crye plates. I don't think they have gone backwards at all. Â KM Link to post Share on other sites
mightymints Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 If you read the pages of the reports on why gen 1 failed, you will see just how awesome this thing is on paper, and testing will prove it hopefully. Thanks to the sun being so bright its hard to get good photos color wise, but here are some better photos. Â Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Is the only thing securing the back to the clamshell that cord? Link to post Share on other sites
mightymints Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) I wont discuss how it goes together because people out there want to replicate this. But its more complicated than that, and you could hang from this thing and it wouldnt budge put it that way. Edited April 1, 2009 by mightymints Link to post Share on other sites
Unit 318 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Is the only thing securing the back to the clamshell that cord? Â It was like that on the original Chassis as well. Link to post Share on other sites
mightymints Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 It was like that on the original Chassis as well. As far as I have seen, thats not totally true, but its a main component. Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) do you know if you are able to order the Crye proprietary plate bags for the carrier coz they designed their own plates ya know... Â also can you tell if the vest is entirely made of soft armor in the non-plate armor areas or is it just nylon in the vest? Edited April 1, 2009 by Agent47 Link to post Share on other sites
mightymints Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) Yes I can order crye plate bags for those plates, and the whole thing is lined with soft armor, everywhere. Infact the shoulder straps have both soft armor and mini plates built in. The cummerbund can accept 4 side plates (2 on each side) that are 6x6. The blast belt also takes up to 7 plates inside it from what the manual seems to say, including a 6x6 on the back of it. Edited April 1, 2009 by mightymints Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Where is the write up you were talking about on the shortcomings of the Gen 1 Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I'm not a fan of how the Cage/Chassis looks compared to the Gen 1 Chassis, but it's definitely far more effective in overall design as well as using the multicam webbing. Though the multicam webbing looks cheap (I have a couple hundred yards of the stuff in various widths), it's mostly because of the type of material used. Different material absorbs pigments differently. That's why Multicam rip stop looks different from Cotton Twill, and from Cordura. The same goes for the Multicam webbing. It just absorbs the pigments much truer to the actual pattern. What they could do is alter the pattern specifically for different materials to get more uniformity. Â Regardless of how you think that webbing looks, you've gotta admit that having multicam on multicam is far more effective than tan/coyote on multicam. Â Regarding the now absent stock locks, as cool as they looked, on the Gen 1 Chassis, they simply weren't functional enough and had a tendancy to snap on things. Yes they look cool, but real operators preferred relying on the kit to perform and staying alive, than looking good as they died. This new design is born from 100% operator feedback. We can expect to see a lot more of this in theater, be it in Multicam or some other camo. Â And although this looks more like the classic CIRAS style than the Gen 1 did, the new cage is much more comfortable and allows for more airflow than any traditional Armor Carrier ever before designed. Â Â Link to post Share on other sites
rws591 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I just wish they would release a 200-500 Plate Carrier, which civilians could. Something with the airflow like the chassis, but some how find a way to cut the cost a bit. Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) Probably taking out all the soft armor would do that. Soft Armor is unfavorable to alot of situations, i understand some PMC companies are using LV4 Standalone plates for terminal effects reasons(not for our discussion here). Would seem likely that such a thing would happen soon, unless the Army plan to be sucking down the cost in the future with large orders of this... Â Looks like the air circulation, nice foam padding for comfort, whole package with blast belt and accessories, and the large range of motion with the arms are the big selling points. Â So i understand it takes standard plates now, i thought Crye had some kind of super plate with the first one, or was that just custom shaped? Â I dont care for the multicam so much as the design, all u guys worried about the webbing im sure it will all look the same once its dirty, and or you get more than 5 feet away Edited April 2, 2009 by Azulsky Link to post Share on other sites
mightymints Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 You can get crye plates for the arm protection, leg protection, and blast belt plates, and also front and back plates that are just a different mould. ESAPI plates etc are just more common so they offer that too. Link to post Share on other sites
Chevieblazer Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 GenI used two diffent plates, the front one pretty large but more or less shaped like a regular sapi(at least 150% the size though) the rear one very long and slender, basically custom fit to protect the spine. I could imagine that while they provided better protection, they went for standard sapis because of the better interchangability with every other armor type and spare plate. Â Now my GenI is mady by Flyye, not Crye (which is unfortunate) so everything else I say about genI has to veiwed with a certain scepticism. Considering the large number of straps and items such as chemlights, carabine hooks that can get caught up anywhere, I really fail to see the big disadvantage of the stock locks. I've been crawling through bushes and woods. Got caught up on my water supply tube a number of times, on my holster, but not really on the stocklocks. but then, I generally like GenI items better then GenII. Â I mean I like the Idea of having the pants made of cordura halfway up the leg. makes them highly, well, damage-proof. I also don't understand the GenII shirt. Ok, they had to change the material, all good and well, but why the heck did they have to change the color to something so bright? why not keep the sage green? provided little to no contrast to the multicam. Â Anyways, I agree with usmc on one point: any CP-designed Armor is way more comfy than anything else Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Don't get me wrong, I absolutely detest the light tan color they've chosen to replace the safe green. The only thing I like better about the Gen 2 shirts is the fabric type used. Â I'm warming up to the Gen 2 pants though. I hated them for the longest time but now ... not so much. Â As for the stock locks, from what I understand operators generally found them to be more of an annoyance and not terribly functional. Personally ... I'm with you. I prefer the look of them. But I still wouldn't kick a Gen 2 outta bed on a cold night. Link to post Share on other sites
Chevieblazer Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Lol, I'd kick any underarmor loadout on a cold night (I get your meaning, though, and I agree). Actually I ordered a CP GenII set of pants myself, since the GenI are unavailable and the Ops version sucks when it comes to pockets (so if anyone has a CP pants GenI in 32 short and wants to trade, I'll be happy to ) Link to post Share on other sites
Hispeed1 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I have to agree, but that one was build with feed back in mind from the pervious. Real world ops arent all about looks, unlike airsoft Me from last sunday. Excuse the ACU top, but my under armour needed a wash and wasnt dry in time. Plus it was pretty cold PS. ignore the patches, they are for a different load out  Wa0-Multicam sure blends in, can't say that for the ACU. Thanks for the pics.  Link to post Share on other sites
DesertFox Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 On another note I like that the gen 2 combat shirt doesn't tear at the seams between the torso and the sleeves when you try to take it off. I know I ripped a couple seams in my gen 1 shirt the first time I took it off, now I have to super careful everytime I talk it off. Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Isn't it true that soft armor degrades over time within like 3 years with heavy use and 10 years with minimum use? Link to post Share on other sites
mightymints Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Im not sure about that, however this soft armor isnt sewn in, you can actually remove it. Link to post Share on other sites
DrumBasher Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 I don't care what you say. Your giving me that Nice man Need to get myself one. Anyone suggest a good MOLLE Belt in MC that isn't CP? I cant afford that much yet Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Is that your own or did you buy it off of desertfox? Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 I don't care what you say. Your giving me that Nice man Heh... thanks man. Â Is that your own or did you buy it off of desertfox? My own. I sold DesertFox's to him in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites
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