Hillslam Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Oh, and the rampant pedophilic homosexuality. Perhaps you missed the fact that it wasn't supposed to be historically accurate. The movie got one out of two crammed in there. Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Perhaps you missed the fact that it wasn't supposed to be historically accurate. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No sh__, Sherlock. Actually, it's a movie (300) based on a graphic novel (300) based on a movie (The 300 Spartans) based on a historical event (the Battle of Thermopylae). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to post Share on other sites
BiGSeXyFLaVoR Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Well, the movie is in myth form, what you see in the movie is how the spartans described it. For example, remember the part where they fought the elephants? See how BIG they were making it look almost unrealistic? Thats because the spartans never saw anything so big and powerful so they described the elephant as a humongous beast. Link to post Share on other sites
r.ocelot Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Wow...I didn't notice ANY of these technical points during the movie. Must have something to do with that huge IMAX screen. Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Well, the movie is in myth form, what you see in the movie is how the spartans described it. For example, remember the part where they fought the elephants? See how BIG they were making it look almost unrealistic? Thats because the spartans never saw anything so big and powerful so they described the elephant as a humongous beast. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And in the myth, Leonidas said what I said he did and the Oracle said what I said she did. The movie is not the myth. The movie is the myth watered down to suit modern sensabilities. Link to post Share on other sites
BiGSeXyFLaVoR Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Whats up with the monster looking people? Is that for modern sensibilities or is it because the spartans never saw a such an ugly person before in their life ? Link to post Share on other sites
Insanejoe Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 All that film needs to be complete is the Cowboy, the Policeman, the Indian Chief, the Construction worker, the Biker, and the Sailor. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> fixt Link to post Share on other sites
Tripod Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 The graphic novel wasn't based off of the 300 spartans. Link to post Share on other sites
0nslaught Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 The graphic novel wasn't based off of the 300 spartans. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Uhm, yes it was Link to post Share on other sites
Tripod Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Uhm, yes it was <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No...it wasn't. At best, you can say Frank Miller was inspired by the movie to create 300. However, he based the novel off of the actual historic events that took place and gave it his own unique artistic representation. Link to post Share on other sites
Naked Singularity Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 The event depicted really happened - 300 Spartans under Leonidas (along with 700 Thespian volunteers) did fight to the last man against Xerxes's Persian army of a million men. They did sacrifice themselves to cover the Greek retreat. They were indeed betrayed by a Greek traitor. The movie (and the graphic novel) takes liberty with the art of representation. The Spartans didn't go into battle essentially naked - they were armored hoplites (heavy infantry). The Persian Immortals didn't dress the way they do in the movie, and they certainly didn't have a gigantic "mascot" that looks like an overgrown orc from Lord of the Rings. Xerxes wasn't bald and few Persians looked like Africans. The movie exaggerates to create a distinct style - it's not meant to be realistic. And those people who accuse the movie of racism are just silly in my opinion. The movie is there to entertain people, not to turn them against each other. Iranians aren't a bunch of monsters as seen in the movie. They are just regular people like you and me. We all bleed red. It's funny how anything and everything can be turned into a political statement these days. Link to post Share on other sites
0nslaught Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 No...it wasn't. At best, you can say Frank Miller was inspired by the movie to create 300. However, he based the novel off of the actual historic events that took place and gave it his own unique artistic representation. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Uhm, no..Frank Miller made his five series comic books from the movie "The 300 Spartans". This event actually did happen, it was called the Battle of Thermopylae. There really were 300 spartans and 700 Thespian volunteers as Naked said. but instead of one million persians, it was approx. 2.5 million. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae And I read the graphic novel, it is based off the 300 spartans Link to post Share on other sites
Naked Singularity Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Holy *beep*... 2.5 million Persians? But how many of those were actually combat personnel? An army that big can't be all soldiers. It must had a lot of noncombatants who handled all the menial jobs and supported the actual soldiers. And Thermopylae was a narrow pass, wasn't it? That meant that the Persians couldn't fight with their full numerical advantage. The Greeks held a critical bottleneck and they were indeed locally superior. You saw how the phalanx formation fought in the movie - the light Persian infantrymen were no match for the Spartans' tight formation and iron discipline. Link to post Share on other sites
0nslaught Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Size of the Persian Empire army Fleet crew 517,610 Infantry 1,700,000[49] Cavalry 80,000[50] Arabs and Libyans 20,000[51] Greek troops allied with Persians 324,000 Total 2,641,610 Size of the Greek army Spartans 300 Mantineans 500 Tegeans 500 Arcadian Orchomenos 120 Other Arcadians 1,000 Corinthians 400 Phlians 200 Mycenaeans 80 Thespians 700 Thebans 400 Phocians 1,000 Opuntian Locrians 13 Total 5,200+ You are right about thermopylae, bottlenecking the persians was a very good plan. if it wasnt for the hunchback traitor, im sure the army could have held them back. I know there are 5200+ greek forces, but the real story is after they find out that the spartan hunchback showed the persians a path to them, everyone retreated except for the 300 spartans, and the 700 thespian volunteers. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...s%2C_480_BC.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Naked Singularity Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 The Spartans and Thespians were also accompanied by a light group of Thebans held against their will. They surrendered to the Persians at the first opportunity. One thing the film failed to show is that the Persians fought with honor. Xerxes could have easily overwhelmed the Greeks by sending in his troops in massive waves. He did not do that. Instead, he stuck to the conventions of war and fought distinct engagements with lulls in between. After the Greeks had fallen, Xerxes had Leonidas's head severed and body crucified. However, he later felt remorse for his enemy and eventually Leonidas's body was returned to Sparta. The Persians were civilized people, and they certainly didn't fight like a mutant mob as they did in the movie. Just to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites
Donut Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 fight like a mutant mobIt reminded me of Lord of the Rings and Gears of War... And the "Immortals," those cracked me up "Oh noes! you found my only weakness! DEATH!" Link to post Share on other sites
0nslaught Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 The Spartans and Thespians were also accompanied by a light group of Thebans held against their will. They surrendered to the Persians at the first opportunity. One thing the film failed to show is that the Persians fought with honor. Xerxes could have easily overwhelmed the Greeks by sending in his troops in massive waves. He did not do that. Instead, he stuck to the conventions of war and fought distinct engagements with lulls in between. After the Greeks had fallen, Xerxes had Leonidas's head severed and body crucified. However, he later felt remorse for his enemy and eventually Leonidas's body was returned to Sparta. The Persians were civilized people, and they certainly didn't fight like a mutant mob as they did in the movie. Just to be fair. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ya, true Persians did fight with honor and respect their defeated enemies. They would treat the defeated with great respect, but Xerxes was so angry because so many of his soldiers got pwned, and ya, what you said, cut off king leonidas's head and crucify him. Lol, leonidas's body was returned to Sparta 40 years after the war though EDIT* didnt want to make a whole new thread, but check this out: http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2033630,00.html Link to post Share on other sites
Agent Hunk Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 The Spartans and Thespians were also accompanied by a light group of Thebans held against their will. They surrendered to the Persians at the first opportunity. One thing the film failed to show is that the Persians fought with honor. Xerxes could have easily overwhelmed the Greeks by sending in his troops in massive waves. He did not do that. Instead, he stuck to the conventions of war and fought distinct engagements with lulls in between. After the Greeks had fallen, Xerxes had Leonidas's head severed and body crucified. However, he later felt remorse for his enemy and eventually Leonidas's body was returned to Sparta. The Persians were civilized people, and they certainly didn't fight like a mutant mob as they did in the movie. Just to be fair. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Doubt that. Couldn't fit all his troops in that pass. Noir did he probably think it would take that many of them. Leonidas's corpse handling only further backs the point they didn't have to great of honor. And showering them with arrows at the end of the battle. Over kill. Again no honor. Link to post Share on other sites
0nslaught Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Leonidas's corpse handling was because how only a handful of spartans can take out so many persians. Xerxes was known to be a ill-tempered ruler and he got really angry because he got pwned so hard by only a handful of spartans. Xerxes knew that if he sent any more forces down in CQC then obviously the spartans would pwn them, so xerxes had them at a distance with arrows. their not going to try and kill them in honor anyways Link to post Share on other sites
doopydoo Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 In my newspaper it said the persians were around 260,000 or something like that at Thermopoleaoyeah, and there were 300 sparts + 700 thespians. Anyone else think of the words big, gay, giant, or girlyman when they saw xerxes for the first time? What's with the mascara and the hands on the shoulders thing. Anyways, that movie was utterly awesome. The hunchback scares me though. Link to post Share on other sites
Naked Singularity Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 fight like a mutant mobIt reminded me of Lord of the Rings and Gears of War... And the "Immortals," those cracked me up "Oh noes! you found my only weakness! DEATH!" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Doesn't the Immortals' "mascot" (I don't know what else to call it) just remind you of the Berserker? It was sweet the way they unleashed it, especially the part where an Immortal hacked apart its shackles. The Immortals got their moniker not from their actual immortality - they could be killed just like any other man. The Immortals were 10,000-strong and always 10,000 strong - every incapacitated soldier was immediately replaced. The unit as a whole was indeed immortal. Ya, true Persians did fight with honor and respect their defeated enemies. They would treat the defeated with great respect, but Xerxes was so angry because so many of his soldiers got pwned, and ya, what you said, cut off king leonidas's head and crucify him. Lol, leonidas's body was returned to Sparta 40 years after the war though EDIT* didnt want to make a whole new thread, but check this out: http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2033630,00.html <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Geez, why can't people just enjoy the movie for what it is - a movie? Why is every goddamned thing a political statement now? Hell, I enjoyed Saving Private Ryan and the Call of Duty series even though I was watching my countrymen getting slaughtered or doing the slaughter myself (I am German by birth). Doubt that. Couldn't fit all his troops in that pass. Noir did he probably think it would take that many of them. Leonidas's corpse handling only further backs the point they didn't have to great of honor. And showering them with arrows at the end of the battle. Over kill. Again no honor. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Xerxes didn't have to fit all his men in the pass. He could have just sent his men into the meatgrinder in an endless wave and wear down the Greeks through simple attrition. He attacked in waves instead. Xerxes was extremely angry after he found out that a little over 1,000 Greeks killed over 20,000 of his soldiers, including many Immortals. Of course he wanted revenge. He did feel remorse afterwards, though. At the end, the Greeks were herd onto a hill and yet they still refused to surrender. The Persians had no other choice but to kill them with rains of arrows. Their men were weary of battle and the Greeks would not surrender. The Thebans, who did surrender, were treated humanely. Link to post Share on other sites
0nslaught Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 did anybody else find the end where the 10k spartans are running and like how the camera zooms in really fast cool? and the end where its like 10k spartans and all those other greeks is a real battle too. i liked the camera effect with the zooming in real quick twice. if only they showed us the battle. Link to post Share on other sites
ThePatriot Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Anyone else think of the words big, gay, giant, or girlyman when they saw xerxes for the first time? What's with the mascara and the hands on the shoulders thing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Homophobic much? Link to post Share on other sites
Connery Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Homophobic much? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Troll much? Anyway, just got back from seeing it. I'm very impressed by the special effects. It was all I could do, however, to keep myself from yelling out during the first wave of Persians, "Double kill! MULTI KILL! ULTRA KILL! DOMINATING!!!" What really got me was when Dilios was putting on the bandage around his eye and Leonidas addressed him; "You going to be okay with that, uh, scratch?" "Yes, my king, it's just an eye. God granted me the gift of a spare." Link to post Share on other sites
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