BigAl Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 ACM? haven't heard that, where you heard that? A thread on another forum about the 44 mentions it, no details yet. Link to post Share on other sites
Monk Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Sure it's nice, but why won't anyone make an MP43? If they did that, I'd buy a dozen. Link to post Share on other sites
Tarnish Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Sure it's nice, but why won't anyone make an MP43? If they did that, I'd buy a dozen. Erm I hate to point it out but MP43, MP44 and Sturmgewehr (StG) 44 are all designations that were applied to the same weapon. Do you mean the Gewehr 43 semi automatic full size 7.92mm rifle perhaps? Gewehr 43 Wiki page Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hitler hated the idea of an Assault Rifle so the Generals called it an MP43. However he later changed his mind so they where able to rename it as the Stg44. As far as i'm aware the MP44 is a misnonemr. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 its closer to a 43/1 than a 44 anyway (has sight rail ridge under the rear site mount that were done away with by time it got redesignated) Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I take it this is based off a clone V3 AK gearbox? Also, I didn't know hi-caps were available for the AGM MP40? Certainly not over here. Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
seawulfhornblower Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I take it this is based off a clone V3 AK gearbox? Well, a G3 V2 GB might be possible as well. Link to post Share on other sites
DRK Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 i knew about this since may. i was really hoping shoei didnt do the triggerhappy/shoei electric mp44. but hey the old man is dead and son's an idiot and did it anyway. now he lost the monopoly on stg44. shoei did make an electric mp44 but it bombed. as did the trigger happy combo version. he personally flew the frame to trigger happy cause he didnt want it to fall into the wrong hands and clone it... well you did a bang up job there son.. it gonna use stick batteries. internally its an AK. hicaps, who knows. only 5 exist in the shoei gas model and they were all hand made. if they copied the mag capacity its 70 rounds. only positive for us gas version owners is if they take the same mag. that would be the best part about it. having owned the gas version, seeing this does tick me off. but i will get to grin and smirk as i see the same flaws in this model as the th/shoei and some unsuspecting nublet have theirs break, I.E. charging handle weakness. even the shoei's was weak, had to be replaced with a real deal charging nub. the shoei did have the best charge back of any gun to ever exist. i imagine the electric will be a joke. the shoei had a wood grip. the th/shoei combo was just 2 metal halves screwed together. this gun was suppose to come out before the end of last year. but it ws delayed. they had a manufacturer problem plus the olympics delayed it. seeing the colored photo's make me wanna puke. looks like they ruined the stock part. looks fake now like tm ak wood fake, doesnt appear to be real wood. and the finish on the body reminds me of the acm mp40. shoei made the model guns of the mp44,mp43, fg42,g43. here are some great photo's of the shoei gas mp44 by iron monkey. http://www.classicairsoft.org/forum/viewto...it=shoei#p68648 and finally, the little shop that started it all. http://www.shoeiseisakusho.co.jp/ the father is dead now, so its all up to the son to take care of the business. this does not bode well. shoei made non airsoft also, but their craftsmanship is unmatched. one upgrade for the gas shoei i had done to mine was, installing of a trimmed AR spring. so it throws the weight inside harder into your shoulder. there is a reason owners say it "kicks like a mule" Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 One thing about this is it might well end up the lightest of the three and thats no bad thing when it comes to folks lugging it around all day Shoei gas one being heaviest (I find it tiring to shoot for any extended period of time), TH/Shoei being next and Id hazard a guess at this one being made of lighter materials and a lighter wood for the stock than the TH/Shoei electric so weighing in the least. Sports system dittrich mentioned possibility of a model gun version of their semiauto remakes ..one of those with the escort 44 internals would be yummy (and probably only thing that would prise the shoei gas one out of my hands lol) Link to post Share on other sites
DRK Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 ^ yes there was talk before of who had the balls to buy a shoei fg-42 and then buy a shoei mp44 and have the escort internals installed into the fg-42.. THEN have more mags mag. your boarding on at 6 grand at this point when it was first purposed. now, maybe 4 grand or so might get the project done. but shoei hasnt made a fg model gun in a while. they make things in batches. they just did the mp44 gas version then prior to that was the mg-42's earlier this year. on their site they list whats next. Link to post Share on other sites
lrich Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 i think it is a great step forward. While many deride this gun as a simple rip off of the Shoei, maybe is shoei got off its high horse and didn't charge ~$1000 or more for its guns, as well as making them hard to get, more people would buy them. I understand that their craftmanship is worth that, but the thing is, not everyone can afford $1000 guns, and even fewer people can afford to skirmish $1000 guns (i use the term "$1000 gun" in the sense that it will cost about that much to have an up and running, really useable (as in, enough mags, gas etc.) gun) This gun, while not perfect, is a great leap forward in WWII airsoft, and for that i am very happy. For its defeciencies, i will try my best to fix them (and really, with patience, how hard is a wood stock to make? I've already made one for my Thompson, and this looks even easier.) edit: the above seems a little inflammatory, i didn't mean it that way, my point is while shoei may have the best workmanship, not everyone will buy one, both because of the price, and/or minimum required standard of quality. I don't need something that can pass as the real thing when i am taking it out to skirmish, just as i don't need a Ferrari as a commuter car. Instead i will get a less exotic, expensive car to use all the time, just as i will get an AGM stg to skirmish with when i don't use my Thompson. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 It always funny how we flame people who clone, put at the end of the day every airsoft manufacturer is ripping off someone else's original look of a gun. Yes shock horror they didn't design it themselves, and I mean the like of VFC, Systema et al, none of them did. If we all kept to the high moral groud then we would not have any, as the original designers I bet would be hacked off that some company is using thier design to sell toys and make a profit. Back on topic, this is a point in the right direction for people who want to re-enact WWII battles or themes. I might invest in a sten if it comes out but not a gas blow back one, only an AEG. Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 It always funny how we flame people who clone, put at the end of the day every airsoft manufacturer is ripping off someone else's original look of a gun. Yes shock horror they didn't design it themselves, Yeah, this a nice "who ripped off what from who " game. Asahi M249 --> TOP M249 --> TOP M249 w/ PGC gearbox --> CA M249 --> A&K M249. Link to post Share on other sites
casbah-joe Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I. Have an agm and top mp40 and will probably only skirmish the agm as it was over £200 less than the Top one. I would love to get a MP44 but if it was too expensive I can see that staying at home too Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted January 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I. Have an agm and top mp40 and will probably only skirmish the agm as it was over £200 less than the Top one. And the gearbox doesn't eat itself. Don't forget about that. Link to post Share on other sites
Fighting Maus Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I suppose it would be heresy to mount a AK scope rail on the ejector side and throw on a nice scope. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Oh *fruitcage* yes, this will be part of my insurgent loadout so very much. Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Yeah, this a nice "who ripped off what from who " game. Fabrique Nationale de Herstale --> Asahi M249 --> TOP M249 --> TOP M249 w/ PGC gearbox --> CA M249 --> A&K M249. Fixed Link to post Share on other sites
Fighting Maus Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 If this is AEG is actually skirmishable, Ill have to find a place that can make MP44 magazine pouches in flecktarn material for a past/future imperfect loadout. Those might go well on a IDZ vest. Oh the possibilities. Link to post Share on other sites
harborne blue Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I suppose it would be heresy to mount a AK scope rail on the ejector side and throw on a nice scope. Yes. We would have to hunt you down if you did However... maybe you could mod it to take Zthingy scope from the k98. The Huns did fit these to MP44s late in the war. Link to post Share on other sites
[BS]_MARS Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 There were plans to equip every german soldier with a 4x scope on the STG44 which I'm sure is something you could put on there. I'd like to see someone get one of the infrared sights, the Vampire. Link to post Share on other sites
meppie Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 You mean one like this one? (bottom of the page) --> http://www.achtungpanzer.com/articles/ir.htm Looks rather big and clumsy to me and I really wonder if there is still one out there alive that is not in a museum/collection. Link to post Share on other sites
Victory Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Looks rather big and clumsy to me... THRUSH didn't seem to have a problem with it. -Vic Link to post Share on other sites
lrich Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 i wonder what the weight of that system is. Has to make that gun pretty top heavy, but a replica would be cool (possibly use a small ir sight, but then make the rest some light material) Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Around 2,5 kilos... and 13 kilos of the power unit on the back! Link to post Share on other sites
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