Chris North Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'm having some issues with my hop up. After installing the second inner barrel (and moving the nub from one barrel to the other) I'm getting only about 100 feet of range even with the hop turned all the way up and BBs are hooking to the left or right at the end of their flight. I've tried re-installing the nub and I'm sure it's clean and free of lube. Any ideas? I've not yet tried to use the other barrel yet, but I'm pretty sure the problem is with the nub. I'm also pretty sure it's not an issue with gas getting to the barrel, but I don't have any reliable way of checking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'm having some issues with my hop up. After installing the second inner barrel (and moving the nub from one barrel to the other) I'm getting only about 100 feet of range even with the hop turned all the way up and BBs are hooking to the left or right at the end of their flight. I've tried re-installing the nub and I'm sure it's clean and free of lube. Any ideas? I've not yet tried to use the other barrel yet, but I'm pretty sure the problem is with the nub. I'm also pretty sure it's not an issue with gas getting to the barrel, but I don't have any reliable way of checking. Did you lose the tiny ball bearing? As good as we are we can still goof. Slu, Thanks for that post. Thats for front wobble and might help remove the last bit of play in the WE. Most of the wobble in AR's and the WE are from the rear. Google accuwedge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blazed99 Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Hi all i have a version one M4 on the way, and have tried scanning this thread but it is massive and although i have picked some bits up i just wondered if you advise me of the following? 1) is part #42 they only thing i need to restrict the FPS and is it easy to fit, i am very new to GBB's 2) what other parts are a must to have spares of as well as the charging handle? Hope you can help Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) Part #42 is basically a drop-in fit in most cases. Getting to the stock part is pretty easy, but you're probably going to need a pair of vise grips and needle nose pliers. It should bring your muzzle velocity down substantially if your WE is shooting 400+ FPS, and it's the only thing to reduce FPS as far as I know. If you're bolt catch isn't steel, you're going to want a new one of those as well. Besides that you should be fine for a long while. You may want to get a few replacement o-rings (part #122), but if you polish the opening of the BB cylinder and keep the nozzle assembly tight and straight you should be okay without. Look here for a great sum-up of this thread. Did you lose the tiny ball bearing? As good as we are we can still goof. Maybe, but I never noticed. How would I check and if it is in fact gone, what would make a suitable replacement? I'm not that good... Edited February 23, 2009 by Chris North Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobbcore11 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Will the new Aluminum bolt that airsoftbuddy sales help the gun shoot better in colder temperatures? I can understand why the ROF would increase, but since the bolt islighter and isn't steel, will it be moregas efficient? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Part #42 is basically a drop-in fit in most cases. Getting to the stock part is pretty easy, but you're probably going to need a pair of vise grips and needle nose pliers. It should bring your muzzle velocity down substantially if your WE is shooting 400+ FPS, and it's the only thing to reduce FPS as far as I know. If you're bolt catch isn't steel, you're going to want a new one of those as well. Besides that you should be fine for a long while. You may want to get a few replacement o-rings (part #122), but if you polish the opening of the BB cylinder and keep the nozzle assembly tight and straight you should be okay without. Look here for a great sum-up of this thread. Maybe, but I never noticed. How would I check and if it is in fact gone, what would make a suitable replacement? I'm not that good... Ha, yes you are! Take it apart again. The teeny tiny bb is right on top and is what presses the green silicone hop material. My guess is that it may have dropped out when you took things apart. it is SO easy to do. refer to the parts diagram to se e where it is and how it goes together. Cobbcore, "yes" on increased rate of fire - "no" on increased gas efficiency since the mag valve doesnt "know" how light or heavy the bolt is. Seperate system operating on its own. It will just bea easier pushing a lighter bolt when temps are cold - and the gas pressure is weak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hazmatt Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Anyone know if William has fallen off the face of the earth? I placed an order almost a month ago and still have not received even an email response. Not good AB and WE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobbcore11 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 When someone recieves their aluminum bolt, please tell us how it works out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cephas Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Hazmatt hang in there. I was in the same position as you. I order my ris and barrel nut tool in the beginning of February and just got it yesterday. The package was shipped out on the 9th. I'm guessing William has been so busy and not able to answer emails. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WETTI Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Anyone know if William has fallen off the face of the earth? I placed an order almost a month ago and still have not received even an email response. Not good AB and WE. Just curious: Why do you say "not good AB and WE"? I hope you understand that AirsoftBuddy is a retailer of WE's guns & parts (as well as other brands) & WE is straightly a manufacturer. WETTI Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobbcore11 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 WETTI any updates on the new hop-up? and are there goingto be new barrels as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hazmatt Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Just curious: Why do you say "not good AB and WE"? I hope you understand that AirsoftBuddy is a retailer of WE's guns & parts (as well as other brands) & WE is straightly a manufacturer. WETTI I understand that AB is a retailer, but he has repeatedly suggested that he has very close ties to WE and the development of your products. If this is incorrect I do apologize for the mistake. Up until now I have had nothing but good things to say about AB and have done several transactions with them. This last transaction simply leads me to believe that the great service we all received early on was simply a ploy to get us hooked. In my current state I am left with a gun in need of parts that I have paid for but have yet to see or hear about. I would simply like a reply from AB in regards to my parts. I will probably hang up my gun until such time as reliable product support can be had once again (if ever). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I just got my WE M4, well, not really. What I got is Socom Gear's Noveske N4 GBB. I've brought it down to user-level maintenance take down and everything pretty much looks the same with the WE M4, as most have already suspected. What I'm still speculative about is that in some sites, the Socom Gear N4 is said to be equipped with stronger internals. I know the bolt stop just passed the magnetic test, but I have no way in telling what other parts, if any, are made stronger. To WETTI: Would you kindly clear up what your arrangement with Madbull/Socom Gear is with regards to the M4 GBB? I have difficulty in telling who made what in my rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kimkafwan Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I just got my WE M4, well, not really. What I got is Socom Gear's Noveske N4 GBB. I've brought it down to user-level maintenance take down and everything pretty much looks the same with the WE M4, as most have already suspected. What I'm still speculative about is that in some sites, the Socom Gear N4 is said to be equipped with stronger internals. I know the bolt stop just passed the magnetic test, but I have no way in telling what other parts, if any, are made stronger. To WETTI: Would you kindly clear up what your arrangement with Madbull/Socom Gear is with regards to the M4 GBB? I have difficulty in telling who made what in my rifle. I have one and the only difference is the receiver and the flash hider. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
somegirls Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 EB is selling a new D'Boys RIS. Do you guys think it will fit onto the WE without major modification? http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=2039 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WETTI Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I understand that AB is a retailer, but he has repeatedly suggested that he has very close ties to WE and the development of your products. If this is incorrect I do apologize for the mistake. Up until now I have had nothing but good things to say about AB and have done several transactions with them. This last transaction simply leads me to believe that the great service we all received early on was simply a ploy to get us hooked. In my current state I am left with a gun in need of parts that I have paid for but have yet to see or hear about. I would simply like a reply from AB in regards to my parts. I will probably hang up my gun until such time as reliable product support can be had once again (if ever). Hi hazmatt, I understand what you trying to say, but I simply comment on behalf of AB. But one thing for certain: WE will NOT let you down in terms of parts & service after the sales of the gun; I'm sure there're those who would testify about my service & response to their needs. I'm currently in the process of setting up service/parts centers worldwide in cooperations with major local retailers; these will be the WE-authorized parts/service centers. I'll publish the list as soon as they're set to go (I've just finished the parts list quotation). You can also check for update on the list by logging in on our soon-to-be released new website (www.weairsoft.com). Again, I truly understand your dilemma; so if you would, pls PM me with your need & I see what I can do to speed things up for you, alright? Btw, if any of you know of a retailer near your home town that you would want to carry your AWSS M4's parts, pls feel free to pass on the above info. & have them get in touch with me. I'm open to all wholesale inquiries. WETTI Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 When someone recieves their aluminum bolt, please tell us how it works out. Id let you know, except Im in the same boat as Hazmatt,.....Ive been waiting >forever< for this order from AB. William has emailed me back. And apoligized for the delay. But Im still waiting. Renegade, "Equipped with stronger internals"....ha! What a laugh. These retailers will say anything to get the sale. So many people are selling the WE now, very competitive. The only difference in all of these versions has been the "shell" the WE guts are inside of. The WE/modified Escort gas system is so simple and strong, there is nothing to strengthen. The charging handle and hop-up? Well, thats a different story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WETTI Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I just got my WE M4, well, not really. What I got is Socom Gear's Noveske N4 GBB. I've brought it down to user-level maintenance take down and everything pretty much looks the same with the WE M4, as most have already suspected. What I'm still speculative about is that in some sites, the Socom Gear N4 is said to be equipped with stronger internals. I know the bolt stop just passed the magnetic test, but I have no way in telling what other parts, if any, are made stronger. To WETTI: Would you kindly clear up what your arrangement with Madbull/Socom Gear is with regards to the M4 GBB? I have difficulty in telling who made what in my rifle. Hi renegadecow, WETTI-AFC Custom has no relationship with Madbull/SOCOM gear. We did not supply our guns to them for making the N4s. In another word, your gun could not possibly be the 'pro-series AFC Custom version' (anodized receivers + extra CQBR barrel) distributed by WETTI exclusively. The other version is the generally available "toy/export version" (painted receivers, no extra barrels) distributed by toy exporters/importers. Even though I cannot comment on your N4 fairly without looking at it, but if they indeed are using the "toy version" for the conversion, then I do not see any reason why there would be any 'stronger' internals in their guns unless they make special parts to strengthed the internals themselves before selling it to you. If I were you, I would find out more by inquiring about that aspect with Madbull (or where you purchase the gun from). I would also strongly suggest that you bring up this question on the sites that you mentioned above; I'm actually curious about the answers as well. WETTI Quote Link to post Share on other sites
number47 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Regarding a cheap source of Krytox, after some heavy duty googling I found a lubricant for bikes called Krytex. Its meant for bike chains and pedals but contains the magic stuff. It also includes something called Molybdenum which apparently is used in real steel guns! A bottle costs about £4 for 60ml. The shop is cyclestore.co.uk Would be grateful if the more mechanical/scientifically gifted WE M4 users would confirm if this would work or feel free to tell me i'm just p***ing in the wind!! Number 47 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WETTI Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 WETTI any updates on the new hop-up? and are there goingto be new barrels as well? NO update yet as of now; but the factory ppl are indeed working on it. One good news: I've already gotten inquiry by several barrel makers to start making afrer-market 'ultra precision' barrels for our new hop-up system. One of them is EDgi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WETTI Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Id let you know, except Im in the same boat as Hazmatt,.....Ive been waiting >forever< for this order from AB. William has emailed me back. And apoligized for the delay. But Im still waiting. Renegade, "Equipped with stronger internals"....ha! What a laugh. These retailers will say anything to get the sale. So many people are selling the WE now, very competitive. The only difference in all of these versions has been the "shell" the WE guts are inside of. The WE/modified Escort gas system is so simple and strong, there is nothing to strengthen. The charging handle and hop-up? Well, thats a different story. Just a bit of correction: A STEEL gas nozzle will replace the current one very soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blazed99 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 My forward assist button keeps popping off when fired and see people say they have glued it in place. But could tell me please what part you have glued an to where? Does this mean it will no longer work? All help appreciated Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redline Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 might be best to removed the very end bits of the clamp on the ris that sits under the barrel nut ! makes it much easier to fit and just as solid Thanks for the info. When you say the end bits of the clamp...are you talking about the inside that makes contact witht the teeth of the barrel nut, or the edge that lies underneathth the delta ring? Thanks again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1st Commando Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 the bit that goes under the delta ring, they should be two small prongs of metal. Shorten those by about 8mm or just remove the whole component Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redline Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 the bit that goes under the delta ring, they should be two small prongs of metal. Shorten those by about 8mm or just remove the whole component Copy that, 1st COmmando. WIll attempt that later. Thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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