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Indeed, the trigger bar connects to a cam that in turn connects to the trigger itself.  Pulling the trigger pushes the cam forward and thus pulls the trigger rod.

The problem is that the trigger bar is held to the cam by a single grub screw that does NOT actually go into the rod, it just relies on friction.  So your entire trigger mechanism relies on the friction of a single grub screw against a steel rod...

 

The grub screw is part E127 BTW Alex 
Also my gun is the 5th off the line, serial number: PDA 0005

Once the rod slips from the cam, which happens if the grub screw backs out even a little, the gun simply stops working.  And when you drive the screw back in, you have to do it at exactly the right position.  If not, a semi auto trigger pull results in a full auto burst, and if you pull full auto, then trigger plate gets stuck on the fire button on the microswitch and the gun shoots a few rounds without you pulling the trigger until the vibration from the gearbox actually forces the plate off the fire button.  This is how you get a runaway gun.

You can run the gun without the upper receiver on so you can see this process as it happens.

If you take apart the hopup, you fill find that the gun has no hopup nub!  The hopup strike arm and the nub are one piece of plastic.  Even worse, the nub was designed as a H style setup, except that poor molding gave it sharp edges.  Some filing can solve this.  The nub also seems far too thin for the chamber, so it wobbles when in the chamber.

The last big one is the motor itself.  It's a super low torque ferrous motor with almost no magnetic power.  However the tuned it with very low turns per armature since it still spins quite fast and draws an absurd amount of power.  On a 11.1V (the specially sized battery that you can buy for the PDR) the battery and the motor heat up to the point of being too hot to the touch within less than 100 rounds in bursts.

You have to de solder to the motor leads to replace the motor.  Fortunately, the pinion gear is standard so you can replace it with any short type motor.

 

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Wow look at all that empty space in the GB. Terrible space management if you ask me - at least with all that space gimme a MOSFET included PTS -_-.

 

 

If you take apart the hopup, you fill find that the gun has no hopup nub!  The hopup strike arm and the nub are one piece of plastic.  Even worse, the nub was designed as a H style setup, except that poor molding gave it sharp edges.  Some filing can solve this.  The nub also seems far too thin for the chamber, so it wobbles when in the chamber.

 

I'm sorry but this just SCREAMS ARES.

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Everything he's posted has been factual, you're really not in any position to instruct anybody to discontinue providing relevant information.  He's also never made claims that PTS are amazing in every way, or anything of the sort.

 

Fact is we're extremely lucky here on Arnies to have a few members with strong ties to some of the airsoft manufacturers (PTS, KWA etc).  Don't bite the hand that feeds, else said hand will just stop bother feeding the ungrateful.  I for one, certainly don't want those members here who are kind enough to give up their time to provide us certain privileged insider info, being made to feel they're not appreciated and that they're wasting their time.

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I didn't ask him to stop providing relevant information that helps gain interest with the target market (us) on PTS products with the end game of driving sales higher. I merely suggested not to immediately jump on people for expressing an opinion that they wish X did Y instead of Z.

 

It's an internet forum for airsofters to discuss their hobby and wishes and desires, talk war stories, show pictures etc. So really CK, it's the other way around, it's lucky that this forums allows such open commercialism and advertising to go on.

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lol, for me, the gun is just as bad as i expected. look like the gun was derived from the TAR-21 design. all in all, getting the trigger back into position on the bar shouldn't be difficult. i would dremel a divot in the bar to increase staying strength between tune ups. shave the nub down and make your own along with a better bucking and an R-Hop. install a gold micro switch and a nice mosfet. change out the gear set, bushings and weak cylinder assembly parts and the gun will work just fine. oh, and the motor, that needs to be trashed too.

 

all the same *suitcase* you have to do to the ACR.

 

except for the frikken broken receiver tab. they really should have seen that coming. unless noveske's is a lemon.

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*fruitcage*

 

WHY! it was such a nice looking AEG as well :(

 

well here's to hoping that there's going to be loads of these going second hand if they start failing and people can't be bothered to get them fixed, then you can pick up a bargain lol

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IDK, the ACRs are just as bad and they still don't go for a bargin on the used market. but one can hope.

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After seeing inside the box I'm really disappointed in the design, wonky BB feed tube, odd motor angle, wasted space, micro-switch with no MOSFET (hell even some JGs come with FETs now), wonky trigger bar design. I don't know why I got my hopes up on yet another disappointing PTS-AEG.

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I didn't ask him to stop providing relevant information that helps gain interest with the target market (us) on PTS products with the end game of driving sales higher. I merely suggested not to immediately jump on people for expressing an opinion that they wish X did Y instead of Z.

 

It's an internet forum for airsofters to discuss their hobby and wishes and desires, talk war stories, show pictures etc. So really CK, it's the other way around, it's lucky that this forums allows such open commercialism and advertising to go on.

 

Well your definition of 'jumping on' clearly differs to mine.  If he was insulting and attempting to bully people in to saying nothing but positive stuff about PTS you'd have an argument, but he isn't.  When people have posted issues he's responded with relevant facts, nothing more or less.

 

I'd like you to go and find a post where anyone has said 'Go buy PDRs!'; that to me would be advertising.  If you're saying that a person who has ties to a certain company posting information with regard to said companies products is commercialism then we'd not be able to get any information at all.

 

End of the day it's really incredibly simple; advertising in such a manner you claim to be happening is against the forum rules.  Report uscm's posts as such if you feel as strongly about it as you say you do, the forum staff will then make the decisions as to whether the posts are allowed or not.  Though after all these years they've not had any issue with it, so I'd suggest your interpretation of the posts in question is not correct.  And if you're not going to go through the correct channels then just stop.

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Can I suggest you do some reading into social media advertising, it's going to become increasingly relevant as we move further into the 21st century. Please have a really good think about this one, you seem an intelligent man. Try and think outside the obvious BUY THIS form of advertising and more into the subtle side of things. But thanks for the advice, as one vanilla forum member to another i'll take that on board.

 

Back on topic, damn shame about these things, my entire skirmish group was queuing up for these. We'll wait and see on more news for this first before taking the plunge.

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Pretty much what I expected on this, happy i didnt get one now. Could have been the first AEG Id buy (and keep) since my P90.

 

Also considering the 'pitfalls' it has makes me very worried about a GBBR version (if they make one)

 

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Can I suggest you do some reading into social media advertising, it's going to become increasingly relevant as we move further into the 21st century. Please have a really good think about this one, you seem an intelligent man. Try and think outside the obvious BUY THIS form of advertising and more into the subtle side of things. But thanks for the advice, as one vanilla forum member to another i'll take that on board.

 

That would make sense if he'd only recently begun posting and everything he posted was promotion of PTS products, but he hasn't, and he posts an awful lot of stuff which isn't related to PTS (and that's not taking in to account the huge volume of PMs you're not able to see).  You're welcome to go back and check, you'll find quite an archive to dig through.  Not to mention that fact it's quite plainly obvious that PTS don't have any need at all to employ someone to perform some sort of subtle advertising function on forums, that'd be terrible inefficent.  They ship products to retailers and it gets bought up rapidly because absolutely tons of airsofters just love magpul gear and everything Costa/Haley did during their tenures, the training DVDs etc etc.

 

They've got no need to advertise at all really, airsofters do that for them off their own backs.  Every time SHOT Show or the HK Toy Fair roll around there's a ton of guys there of their own accord uploading footage to YouTube and the like; which they do because they like to be there to see the latest products in person and because they know it'll get them lots of views; not because PTS pay them to do it.  If you actually knew uscm, his job and the RS stuff he does outside of airsoft you'd realise that what you're claiming simply does not add up.

 

None of this is to say I'm a huge fan of PTS, I like some of their stuff (accessories mainly, always been solidly built) and some of their stuff I don't like at all (i.e. their weapons).  I was an early adopter of the FPG (bought the kit form the moment they were available, long before the complete gun was released) and that was a massive headache, never worked correctly.  Waited a long time after the initial release of the ACR in the hope they'd iron out the problems, but that rifle is basically a very expensive show piece now, something's up with the electrics that's totally stumped me.  These experiences led to the decision of not pre-ordering a PDR and while I expect there are a lot out there working fine the examples we're seeing here can't be refuted; this initial batch at the least clearly has some major flaws.  I just hope for the sake of the owners in question they'll all be resolved under warranty without too much of a headache.

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Leaping to the defence of his employer the way he has been doing for quite some time now does more harm for his employers than good, because he will then be doing an unpaid, therefore unsupervised PR job and the first rule of internet PR is to not make excuses and enter into debates about your product. I've done a PR job in the games industry where our games were getting slammed by reviewers and forumgoers alike and still you should remain silent and take note of criticisms.


Nothing - and I mean Nothing - good comes from White Knighting. It's about being professional, not creating a sour connection between developers and community.

 

 

Regarding the product, this looks shocking in how much stuff is going wrong with these first few batches. I guess I'll wait for JG to clone them or something and have a working gun.

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lol, nobodies going to clone these things. did anyone ever clone the ACR? if you want a PDR, you have one choice.

 

unfortunately, that choice is going to take a little work, but whatever.

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lol, nobodies going to clone these things. did anyone ever clone the ACR?

 

Not technically, But A&K made a much more mechanically sound/solid version, which I guess counts for something. (most likely because it kept tooling costs down as they used existing parts instead of the notoriously "made of cream cheese" proprietary magpul gearbox, but still)

 

If there is an A&K representative in this thread please just make one run of working PDRs there will be plenty of people queueing up to buy them.

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lol, nobodies going to clone these things. did anyone ever clone the ACR? if you want a PDR, you have one choice.

 

unfortunately, that choice is going to take a little work, but whatever.

Why not, there were cheapo FPG's out there.

 

Anyway on topic, I was really looking forward to this one but I'm going to give it a miss. Too much that I see I don't like. Take the bb feed tube for example looks like you'll loose 10 or more bb's a mag. I like real cap mags or at a push sub 100 round mids, loosing so many is just unacceptable. Also some dirt or a warped bb in there and you're taking the lot apart.

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lol, nobodies going to clone these things. did anyone ever clone the ACR? if you want a PDR, you have one choice.

I'm aware of Magpul's tendency to litigate with the force of a freight train, I am however hoping for a more capable company to come along and make a working sportline, even with the gross markup.

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Leaping to the defence of his employer the way he has been doing for quite some time now does more harm for his employers than good, because he will then be doing an unpaid, therefore unsupervised PR job and the first rule of internet PR is to not make excuses and enter into debates about your product. I've done a PR job in the games industry where our games were getting slammed by reviewers and forumgoers alike and still you should remain silent and take note of criticisms.

 

Nothing - and I mean Nothing - good comes from White Knighting. It's about being professional, not creating a sour connection between developers and community.

 

PM him yourself then if you don't like.  Given the actual content of the posts I don't see it as leaping to defence at all, it's just factual information IMO.  If you see it differently then that's the way it is, I won't attempt to argue about interpretation in that respect.

 

I don't see it as a sour connection either, the vast majority of the people here actually appreciate the access to information we wouldn't otherwise receive.  But again, clearly you have your view point which is polar to mine so I'm never going to convince you otherwise, nor shall I attempt to.

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Handbags away, please, ladies. I insist. There's no need to sully an extremely useful and in-depth review thread with pointless ad hominem arguments and generalizations. Please, you're spoiling it.

 

Back on topic, the gun looks like it has flaws. So? Was anyone here other than uscmCorps part of the design process where PTS were presumably given a half-finished concept gun to copy? Does anyone here know the reasons behind the gun's specific design compromises? Or are we all going to sit back and laugh at PTS for daring to produce a gun that isn't another Armalite?

 

Yes, the gun looks like it has flaws. So are we going to work out how to fix them and improve the product? Or are we going to put PTS generally and uscmCorps in particular off this forum altogether?

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BAEBA6F2-2239-4B1E-A78C-F5D0690B003C-147

 

So uh... that tappet return spring, is there a little cutout on the other half of the casing to account for it overlapping the feed tube or does it just get crushed a bit when you put it back together? And does the tube itself have some kind of hidden retaining system that you could see, or do a whole bunch of bbs fall out when you remove the mag?

 

Also what on earth is going on with the bottom of the cylinder there?

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Yes, the gun looks like it has flaws. So are we going to work out how to fix them and improve the product? Or are we going to put PTS generally and uscmCorps in particular off this forum altogether?

 

I don't think anyone is trying to do put either PTS or our fellow Arniete out. 

 

Though, as a potential customer looking at a spend of £300+, you do have to admit it does not look very impressive thus far..

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I'm not denying it appears to have a lot of problems - and I'm definitely not buying one for £300 in this state, that's for sure! Hopefully this will all be usefully resolved.

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OMG Noveske... that's uber bad, really bad, choberi-bad!

Actually, I notice this problem with the tab as well when I was putting the pins back.  You really have to align the holes perfectly.

The feed tube is another issue.  Not that it's a tube, these things can work, but that the surface of the tube is really gritty, poorly cast metal.  I haven't gotten any feeding problems but I did notice a lot of BB shavings at where the bbs enter the hopup chamber.

Ergo wise it's not bad.  Other than the all too small grip, which they will fix with the grip extension.

I think the big lession here is never trust an Ares design, ever

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